"You Can See Everything": Is It Love or Control? The Red Flags of Dating After Divorce

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I came out of this movie feeling gaslighted. I felt disoriented. I felt like I had been manipulated in some way. So I think there's a big difference between someone making your life easier and someone making your world smaller slowly, right? And the interesting part is that by the end, I wasn't entirely sure who was manipulating who. ah

You can see everything. You guys, this movie.

It's about when love looks like control. That's what I got out of this one. Okay, so here's the thing. I went to see this movie last night, and I have to talk about it because I cannot stop thinking about it. It's called You Can See Everything, and it's the new documentary about Elizabeth Holmes, the woman behind Theranos. And I found out that Theranos is actually therapy and diagnose combined. That's how they got Theranos.

Let me tell you, I did not expect this movie to go where it went at all. I thought I was walking into a documentary about a woman who built this billion-dollar company. She was convicted of defrauding investors and she ended up in prison. But somewhere along the way, I found myself paying more attention to her partner, Billy Evans, than to Elizabeth herself, which is what they want. And that's how it's directed for you to have that feeling if you to see those things. But I'm sitting here thinking,

What in the world is going on in this relationship? It is so much more than the f defrauding of investors or her going to prison. This relationship that she is in was just blowing my mind, which is why I felt like I needed to come on and talk to you guys about this because it's so in line with so many things that I've talked about over the years. And first of all, I love that I was seeing the signs. They were so transparent to me. And I love that for me because that.

Represents growth, right? When you're actually acknowledging and seeing some stuff. But there were so many moments that actually made me uncomfortable, moments that made me question his intention, and moments that I literally wanted to jump out of my seat and say, Are you kidding me right now? Are you kidding me? And the interesting part is that by the end, I wasn't entirely sure who was manipulating who. Which again is what they want, right? Like Nathan Fielder is

incredible in this. And he's much smarter than he's letting you believe he is in this movie. And so when you think about why he was hired to direct this film with Lance Oppenheim, and he actually asks this in the movie to Elizabeth, he basically says to her, Why why did you pick me for this movie to be the director? Is it because you think that I don't know anything about science and that I'm dumb enough that I'm not going to see

what really went wrong or what you really did. And it was the same, he mentioned that she hired a general to be on the board of her company. And they feel like she did that because the general wouldn't really know enough about science stuff and scientific knowledge to be able to confront her and know that something was wrong. So he was questioning that. But it's interesting because she said, No, that's not why she picked him but it's funny on our side because

This guy's a win, right? Like everything he does does really well. So maybe that was the reasoning why she picked it that way. Anyways, today I'm going to talk about this movie. I want to talk about the red flags that I noticed and the difference between someone who wants to protect you and someone who wants to control you. And I'm going to warn you, there are spoilers. So if you haven't seen the documentary, save this. Don't

not watch it, but save it for later. And I want you to see the movie and then come back and watch this and see if your thoughts are in line with what I'm saying. But if you have seen it, I hope you get something out of this because I certainly did. So follow along with me. Um here we go. Okay. So again, when I went into this movie, what was I expecting? You know, I didn't know much about the whole Elizabeth Holmes thing. I'd heard a little bit about it in the past. I didn't really know details on what had transpired. So I thought I was just going into a documentary.

Just to kind of see what happened, how she got caught, why she's going to prison. Now there'd been a lot of speculation, a lot of conversations about the movie. So I did kind of know there was going to be a little bit more to it that meets the eye. And the movie is almost three hours long, which it did not feel like that. But I didn't really know all that it was about. And so going into it, I didn't have any preconceived notions of how this movie was going to go. I was just going to go check it out.

Coming out of it, and I saw it with my son and his wife, and I was like, blown away coming out of it. Because there's so many things that transpired in the movie that you are just like, what? Your mouth is open, your jaw. You're like, huh? Like, what? How does she not see this? Or how is she being manipulated by the very guy that says he's there to protect her? Or

Are we being manipulated? Like that's the whole thing that's going on in the movie. You're constantly wondering, is this really happening? Am I seeing this differently than everybody else is in here? Are they wanting me to see it differently? It's very, very interesting. So whew, let's start with some of the little things here because sometimes those things tell us the most, right? So let's talk about the little red flags that were in here. Okay. The biggest one right off the bat for me, fairly soon into the movie was.

About the scrambled eggs. If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. So Elizabeth is making scrambled eggs during an interview. Nathan Fielder is talking to her husband, Billy Evans. She's over there scrambling eggs in a bowl, right? But you can see there's not a whole lot of action, but the camera keeps zooming in on it. So you know there's something up to it. And Billy just keeps looking over at her while she's scrambling these eggs, almost like he can't even concentrate on the conversation that he's having with Billy. And all of a sudden he just goes over and he takes the bowl from her and he starts scrambling the eggs himself.

And you're just like, whoa, like what did he need to do that for? And the best part in this whole thing is that Nathan is not afraid to ask anything, right? Like he's very methodical in what he's asking, how he's reacting to things. He takes his time. He's patient. There's a lot of awkward pauses, which creates really great dialogue. So first of all, I'm thinking

Can the woman not even make eggs without being corrected right now? Now, obviously, someone taking over making breakfast isn't automatically a problem, right? Like that's not a big deal, but it's the attitude behind it that made it uncomfortable. He was very irritated at the way she was making the eggs, and he needed to just do it himself. And the subtle suggestion that he knows how to make them better.

So this is something that I think a lot of people can relate to. Have you ever been with someone who constantly corrects you? The way you cook, the way you drive, the way you tell a story. And maybe you laugh it off because it seems harmless, but over time the constant correction can make you start to question yourself. So I love that Nathan Fielder just kind of looked over and said, Why'd you just take those eggs from her? Which was great, that he just flat out asked him.

And she basically laughs it off and kind of says, he doesn't like the way I make the eggs. I'm not scrambling them enough. It has a different taste when it's not fully scrambled. And I think that was the first inclination that something is a little off here. There's a little bit of control going on. And the way he just took the bowl of eggs from her didn't say, Hey, could you stir those a little bit more or just leave it alone because we've got company, first of all. He just went over and took them and didn't even hesitate and didn't hide that at all or his frustration about it.

So there's another point that really stood out to me about his need to control or correct things. Billy interrupts a conversation that Elizabeth's father is having with Nathan about her previous relationship with Sonny Balwani. And if you know the story about Elizabeth Holmes, Sonny Belwani is an older man. Uh he was, I think, like double her age when they got together. They were together almost 12 years. They started the Theranos project because of him. He's the one who really got into it.

He is in prison for a 12-year sentence, but he's the one that did a lot of the manipulating to make it appear like Elizabeth was way more involved than she possibly was. Again, speculation, right? And so when Nathan is having this conversation with her father, Billy wants to shut this down. And it's his way of making sure things aren't said that he doesn't want to be said. And he presents himself as someone protecting Elizabeth. But I kept wondering

Is he protecting her feelings or is he controlling what people are allowed to talk about? So these are things that were kind of standing out to me quite a bit throughout the movie, right? And sometimes you realize that the biggest red flags aren't the things that someone says to you. They're the things they won't allow you to say for yourself. So that was very interesting to see. And if those moments already made me uncomfortable, what happens later takes things to an entirely different level. Okay.

Stay with me. I know I might be jumping a little bit. Um, but if you've seen the movie, you totally know. And if you don't, when you do go see it, you're gonna be like, ah, that's what she was talking about. Okay. So then I want to talk about whether this is protection or it's actually control. So before Elizabeth enters prison, her face and her voice are captured to create a digital version of her. And the original idea involves allowing her family to interact with her likeness while she's away.

So she has been sentenced to eleven years in a federal prison camp. She has a husband. She's no longer with Sonny Balwani. They together and now he's in prison. She met this guy, Billy. They have two little kids together. I want to take a moment to talk about the introduction of Billy and Elizabeth in that they talked about how they first met, because this is kind of insane. It's a little bit like, what?

So he basically said that he knew who she was. He'd heard the story about her. He was working for a company that was touring the facility of where Theranos was made. So he knows he's in the same building as to where she is making this product and that she would most likely be there. Now, when they first met, he said he didn't know that's who he was talking to, that he was talking to Elizabeth Holmes. And of course, of course, Nathan is like, You didn't know that was her? How would you not know if you knew who she was?

And he said, because she was wearing like a big hat, she had sunglasses on and she had a band-aid on her face. I guess she'd been scratched by her dog. So she had a big band-aid. So he's like, I didn't even know who she was when I was first talking to her. And he said, We talked for about an hour. We had this incredible conversation between the two of us. We were so connected from right off the bat. And there was just something very different about this. And he said within the first 10 minutes that he was in love with her.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Red flag, red flag, red flag. Red flags are going off. They are going off in this. And he is saying, you know, he's like, I know that seems crazy that I could fall in love with her. And Nathan is like, you couldn't even see her. You said she was wearing a hat and sunglasses, but you fell in love with her in the first 10 minutes. And he's just like, yes. And I knew it was crazy, but I knew she was the woman that I was going to spend my life with.

So you can kind of see right off the bat there's something a little off here. And so how do you find somebody and immediately within 10 minutes, not saying that it can't happen, but it seems a little odd. And also him saying he didn't know that he was talking to her, even though he knew where he was, he knew the entire story, and that there was a pretty good chance it could be her. And then he did figure out that it was her within, I think he said within an hour. So the whole thing is a little bit weird to start with. But they do get married, they have two kids.

So now she's going off to prison for 11 years. She's not gonna be able to see the kids except on weekends. So of course they want to do this whole digital version of her so they can bring in a hologram of her and be able to actually talk to her so the kids can see her, you know, mom, right? So um good idea, I guess, but a little strange, right?

But then Billy starts exploring the use of her digital identity more broadly as the movie goes on, which is alarming. Like that's not what that's not what you made that for. And so let's talk about this AI version of Elizabeth because it was just totally bizarre. They created this digital version of her before she goes off to prison. And like I said, I can initially understand the emotional idea behind it, like she's gonna be separated from her children.

But then the conversation starts moving towards what he can do with that version of her. And I'm thinking, wait a minute, we're talking about someone's face, their likeness, someone's voice, their identity. And just because you have the technology to recreate somebody doesn't mean you should get to decide how that person is being represented. Right. So when I think about how I felt watching this avatar being created, at first, like I said, I was like, huh.

Okay, maybe that's a good idea. She was on board with it. She wanted that for him. Did it feel unsettling a little bit? Yeah. Did it feel strange? Yeah. But did it feel loving like he wanted her to be there for the kids? Yeah. So I I have to think I would probably go along with doing that to make sure my kids had this image of me and they would always see that of me and not forget me. But the fact that it gave him the autonomy to do whatever he wanted with it later.

That is scary as fuck. Anyway, so he also states in the movie that he is able to post from Elizabeth's ex account, which used to be Twitter, right, at the time, while she's incarcerated. So she had a Twitter account and he's being asked, how can you post from that? And they're all coming from you or her. And he's like, well, 80% of it is her. She sends me an email of what she wants me to write in the post, and then I write it.

But then Nathan's like, but I thought she didn't have internet. And he's like, Yeah. And he's like, But she sends you an email with what she wants you to write, but she doesn't have internet. And he's like, Yeah, totally glosses over that. Like, right? It doesn't say a thing. But then they start showing some of the posts that he's doing on X slash Twitter. And it's not what she would say at all, not how she would react at all. And in one point, somebody even said, Are you ever going to watch the movie The Dropout? The Dropout was actually a movie based on

the character of Elizabeth Holmes. It was not a documentary. It was played by Amanda Seiford. And so it wasn't truly as accurate as the documentary is, right? Somebody says, thinking they're talking to Elizabeth Holmes, are you going to watch the movie The Dropout? And he responds as her, saying, you know, fuck no, I'll never watch that. Number one, sh didn't talk like that at all.

Number two, she'd already watched it and they showed that in the documentary. So for him to say that makes people question her character, even more so. So why would he do that? Right. And I mean, I understand that while she's in prison, he's helping manage her accounts. But I kept wondering, like, whose voice are we actually hearing here? Is that him saying this stuff, or is he truly saying stuff that she would want him to say? And he kept saying,

We just know each other so much and we trust each other so much that I know what she would say. I don't need to run any of this by her because I know what she would say.

Weird. Weird. Weird. He also reveals that he holds a power of attorney for Elizabeth. Now having power of attorney is not a automatically suspicious, right? There's perfectly legitimate reasons for that arrangement. But when you put all of these things together, the controlling part, the fact that he now has her digital version of her that he can use in any way he wants. He has access to all her of her accounts and he can speak as if he's speaking.

As her. He's not even saying any of this as him. He's saying it as her, right? So we have the social media, the AI avatar, the way he speaks for her. I started wondering how much independence does she really have? And does she know that he is doing all of those things? And so that brings me to something that I think applies to so many relationships. Sometimes someone can take over your life in ways that initially feel incredibly helpful.

Right. They start handling everything. They're making decisions. They tell you not to worry. They got this. And maybe that feels wonderful at first. But what happens when you want to make a different decision? What happens when you disagree? So there's a big difference to me between support and control. The support is saying, Hey, I'm here for you. I can do whatever you want on that situation. If you want me to respond a certain way, I'm happy to do that. I'm here to support you.

Then there's the control where he's like, I'll do this for you. I'll take that over. I'll handle that. I'll write that on your behalf. And not even questioning or asking her what her true thoughts are or how she feels about that. So that is a very scary thing to me when it comes to control. And in the beginning, it can feel very attractive. But

It quickly turns to something else, like him just taking the eggs and needing to do it his way. Like she lost her independence and he was very much in co control of everything, if you think about all of that stuff, right? So I think there's a big difference between someone making your life easier and someone making your world smaller slowly, right? So then Amanda Seifried enters the picture. And this is where things get really, really interesting. Now I was a little

Curious as to why she was in this documentary. I didn't see that coming. I didn't know she was going to be in it. As I said, she played Elizabeth Holmes in the dropout. And Nathan shows Elizabeth clips of Amanda portraying her, right? And Elizabeth becomes very emotional. And Amanda later joins Nathan in trying to understand the relationship and the reenaction conversations that were not filmed. First of all, Amanda Seifert. I love the way they chose to bring her into it.

And it was a bit of a twist. Sh here's an actress who plays Elizabeth Holmes, and now she's actually getting involved in trying to understand the real Elizabeth Holmes. Brilliant, but a strange situation. And then Amanda gets to meet Billy. And this is where I felt like we started seeing a totally different side of him. Throughout probably a little more than half of the movie, yes, you're thinking, okay, he's a little bit controlling. He is very determined to let you see a certain side of Elizabeth.

Um, he speaks for her quite often. He likes to say that she thinks very differently from the way all of us do. And that's maybe why she doesn't understand things the way others do, which is alarming to me because she's a very smart woman. She created Theranos. I mean, she ran a company. She ha she's a CEO of of a massive billion-dollar company. She's on the board. She's very, very smart. How is she allowing

Him to speak for her, to acknowledge that she doesn't really think a certain way, um, that she is not capable of understanding the simplest things. You'll see a whole uh whole section about who's on first, that comedy that she just didn't understand at all. And you're going, How is that the same person? Right. And um so now when we fast forward to Amanda Seiford coming in and she's now meeting Billy.

And this is somebody that she's meeting fresh, right? So she doesn't know him and she's getting to see the side of him. Elizabeth is now in prison, so it's only uh Billy that's there. And she finds out about the use of Elizabeth's social media and the treatment of her. And the conversation starts to become heated. And Billy even criticizes Amanda and discusses getting revenge on people that he believes have wronged Elizabeth.

So in this one conversation, you are hearing Billy literally say to Amanda, I'm not gonna listen to anything you say, anyways, what you have to say weighs pretty much zero with me. You have no credibility, especially with your social media being pulled off for some Charlie Kirk stuff that she had said. And so he challenges her on that. He challenges her on her political beliefs. And he's talks down very much to Amanda very differently than he talked to Nathan.

By the way. So you can see he's got a little bit of an issue there with Amanda. And then he starts discussing about how he can get revenge on people he believes have wronged Elizabeth. And Amanda and Nathan are literally asking him, You have access to do that. And he's like, I know everybody who can do absolutely anything. So I have people for that. And so you're starting to get this little sense of losing his marbles.

A little bit. The confrontation was incredibly uncomfortable for everybody, including the audience. The conversation was very intense. Billy was very defensive. And I'm just watching him thinking, what happens when someone actually challenges this man? And they've referenced in the past that Elizabeth was not great at standing up to men she was with, the man that was older than her, Sonny Bywall, who is now in prison. She was with him for 12 years and never had the strength to actually stand up to him in a relationship.

And so the fact that Billy has now taken over such control of her life as if she is in a box somewhere and he's just completely pretending to be her. I'm thinking, wow, this is insane. And I want to be careful here because we're watching a documentary. We don't know every detail of this relationship. We're seeing exactly what they want us to see. Do I think that Nathan Fielder manipulated the movie in a little bit of a way for us to see this side of him? Absolutely.

So I think that we didn't truly get to see the real side of Elizabeth. We were really um kind of sanctioned to see who Billy is and how he represents her, how he fits into her life and how possibly his interactions and the way he is could completely change the way we think about what Elizabeth Holmes did and start questioning it. Not gonna say that didn't happen.

So it's hard for me to speak totally on Elizabeth. I don't want to diagnose somebody that I've never met, but I can absolutely talk about the behavior that we are now seeing in Billy. And one thing I've learned about relationships is that you can tell a lot about someone by the way they handle being challenged. It's easy to be very charming when everyone agrees with you, but what happens when someone says no? What happens when someone asks a question that you don't like? What happens when someone challenges your version of the events?

Do you listen or do you immediately get on the defensive and you go on attack? That's what we saw from Billy. He didn't like the questions that were being asked. He didn't like that he was being challenged on why he was using her likeness everywhere, why he was putting up photos of her that she distinctly said she didn't like and that she cried about because she didn't like the way those pictures portrayed her. And when asked about those photos, when Billy was right in the room, he said, I don't know what you're talking about.

And Nathan never backs down from a challenge. And he said, You were right there. How do you not remember what we talked about? And he was just like, It didn't happen. It happened because it's in the documentary. So we all know that. So the whole thing is wild. Watching his reaction to Amanda, the way he's speaking to Amanda, um, his demeanor, he had this kind of a a little bit of a

Crazier look to him. He had gained weight by this point. His hair was a little bit more disheveled than it was previously. He was very fidgety. He sniffled a lot. I don't know if that was trying to imply something that maybe he was on some drugs of some sort, uh, very squirrely-eyed, um, very defensive. And it just made me think a lot about why someone's reaction to disagreement matters in dating, right? Like those are the flags that we are looking for.

All of these things, the love bombing initially, the way he would take over control of what she was doing, nothing she could do was right. The way he found the need to speak for her, to talk about her in a way that was uh demeaning and degrading. And she didn't challenge any of that. And then to speak to other to another woman in the same way, told us everything we need to know about him. It really did. So if you want to know.

Who someone really is, watch how they react when you disagree with them or when you challenge them.

This movie has me all worked up, you guys. So I'm like, I know I'm moving through this fast. And I don't want to tell you every detail because I want you to see it for yourself. And I want you to have your own emotions and feelings and thoughts about it. I'm not trying to persuade or manipulate that in any way. I'm telling you how I felt watching it, what I saw watching it, and why it it's giving me this kind of reaction. So just when I started thinking that I had Billy all figured out, the movie completely flipped things around again. Okay. So

There's a whole thing about a payment negotiation. Now, I don't know if you d know this, but when you do documentaries and the person who the documentary is about or who is involved in it, they normally do not make money or compensation off of these. And it's not negotiated because it takes away the integrity of the film. If you are making money off of something, you're more inclined to portray things differently. It's not very common at all for

the people that are in the movie to actually receive compensation from the documentary directly. Well, Billy challenged this and he invited over the A twenty four executives. He invited over Nathan as well as Lance Oppenheim. They came over and Elizabeth was there. And now keep in mind she's in prison at this point. It's being reenacted by Amanda Seiford. It's crazy how they were able to twist this and do this, but you'll fully understand it when you're watching the movie.

So Amanda Seifert is there as if she's Elizabeth, right? And she's just kind of having a conversation with them, reading a first section of a book that she's writing. It was very odd. And then she gets up and leaves a room to go be with her kids when they just invite these people over. And now Billy is there with the executives and he immediately brings up the negotiation and the compensation they should share in the profits of the documentary. So and he says to them basically, this is non negotiable.

So they do come to some sort of agreement that Billy and Elizabeth are actually going to be paid compensation at the end of this movie. Well, now we know that this has been done, right? So your mind is thinking, did Elizabeth know this? And that's why she got up and left the room so he could have this conversation. Her hands were wiped clean from that. She didn't ask for the money. He did. Well, later, and this is where I start questioning everything.

After Billy negotiates this potential financial agreement involving the documentary, they show a clip of Elizabeth talking to Nathan, and she basically says, I'm not making any money off of this. So why wouldn't I be honest with you in the movie? She's like, I'm going off to prison in a couple days. So we might as well get my whole story out because I'm not making any money off of this. And you're thinking, What? He already negotiated the compensation.

So you're kind of questioning, wait, does she know about the money? Or is this something that he did behind her back? Hasn't told her that there's going to be any kind of compensation whatsoever? And of course, Nathan doesn't challenge anything at the moment, but he's definitely wondering whether she knows about the deal or not. And suddenly I found myself asking a completely different question. What if Elizabeth knows exactly what's happening? What if Billy isn't doing this behind her back? What if they're both involved?

Because remember, Elizabeth Holmes has been convicted of fraud. So while I found some of Billy's behavior very concerning, I also couldn't ignore her own history. And a conversation that happened very early on between Nathan and Elizabeth is Nathan asked Elizabeth if she's ever lied in her life. And she says, no, never. And he says, You've never lied. You've never told a little white lie. Like if you need to go out to an event and you say, I'm not feeling good.

When you're totally fine. You've never done that. And she basically says she never lies. And when Billy is asked the same question by Nathan, he also states, She never lies. And he's doing the whole, I know that sounds crazy, but if I even tried to tell a little white lie, she would correct me. She just never lies. So then you're looking at this where she's looking Nathan in the face and saying, We need to really tell all of this story because I'm not getting paid on this.

Well, now you're thinking, okay, is she really not getting paid? And Billy didn't tell her any about this, or is she lying when she said she's never lied in her life, which now opens up her character once again, right? It totally negates everything that she said, where she's trying to say, I didn't do what they said I did with Sarah Nose. So this is where the movie got so fascinating. So Nathan ends up asking Billy if Elizabeth knows anything about.

the compensation agreement that he made. And he basically says she knows details about it, but he didn't want to tell her because she's got so much other stuff on her plate. He didn't want to add that on, which is alarming to me because to find out that, you know, yeah, she has so much on her plate. She owes restitution in the millions to people that she has to pay back. She's majorly in debt. I would think that finding out that there is some sort of compensation off of this would relieve her a little bit. That's what I would think.

But he said she didn't know about that, but she knew some of the details. So Nathan gets a chance to visit Elizabeth in prison and he questions what she knew. And of course, this is Amanda reenacting the conversation because cameras were not permitted inside. So we're just seeing Amanda in there. And even when Nathan finally speaks to Elizabeth about it, you are left with more questions. She basically acts like she knew, like she knew there was money. But she is saying she doesn't really care about the money.

She is so in debt. This was never about the money. She claims that initially her stock was worth billions. She never sold one penny of it. Um, you know, it's like she's saying she doesn't care about the money, that their love is so strong and that they are building monuments of love. Now keep in mind they both said the same sentence, so that's a little odd. But she's saying she has such love for him and tears are welling up in her eyes.

How she feels about him, and that there's nobody that she feels safer with, loved by, protected by. And you're watching this with sadness, or I was watching this with sadness in my heart, because you can see the manipulation. She's speaking words that he already spoke. So the same words are coming out of her mouth. And I'm watching the control that he has over her. And then you start thinking.

Does she know about the money or is she pretending like she does so that it doesn't appear that he did anything wrong? Why would she not care about that at all? Does she really feel protected and loved by him, or does she feel scared? And then you're just looking at the whole thing and wondering, is Nathan becoming too emotionally involved in this whole situation? And so the way it's being portrayed to us is from his mind.

Because of how he feels about her. Here's the thing someone can have a history of manipulating people and still be vulnerable to manipulation themselves. So she could have been manipulating people all along with the thernose. I don't know if you totally know. Basically, it's a machine that she built that you could use one drop of blood and it was able to detect all kinds of diseases. It could perform all kinds of tests at one time from one little drop of blood. That's what she said it could do.

And to the point where she had billions of dollars coming in from investors, and they were going to put tons of these in the Walgreens stores until they found out, no, it doesn't actually work. And that she was doing something behind the scenes of actually running these tests somewhere else. You know, they they showed like her taking the drop of blood and then sending the investors off to get a bite to eat while she has the machine doing all of these tests from the one drop of blood, but then supposedly.

allegedly while they're out having lunch, she is running this through other machines so that it didn't actually work and then she ended up getting sued by Walgreens, you know, all of this. So this is where the the defrauding came in. Um but she was technically manipulating and scamming all of these people. So you're wondering, can she be vulnerable enough to be ni manipulated herself?

And we can't forget that Elizabeth herself is still defending her version of what happened at Theranos. There's a whole conversation about what the machine can actually do was another moment where I felt like I was losing my mind because she is saying that it can do all of these things. And that's where she got in trouble. If she had said it has the capability to do all of these things, we'd be in a d very different place right now.

But Nathan is trying to get a straight answer from her. And somehow the conversation becomes an argument about what this word and her words actually mean. So when you ask someone a direct question, do you get a direct answer? Or do you have to leave the conversation more confused than when you started? Again, this has to do with some sort of manipulation. There might be some narcissism in there, some gaslighting for sure. Um, you know, all of these things. And I'll tell you what.

I came out of this movie feeling gaslighted. I felt disoriented. I felt like I had been manipulated in some way. I felt completely lost because I don't know if I'm really trusting Billy and the way that they're just portraying him to appear that he had such control and he was completely taking over her life. Is that truly how it was? She seemed fine with it. Is she pulling one over on us where she's acting like she does know all of this, but she doesn't really care because he is out there, you know, with her kids and

And keeping a life going while she's in prison. Was it Nathan that manipulated this in the way the film was portrayed and and directed and documented? Did he want us to see a certain side of Elizabeth, a certain side of Billy, because that's the way he was seeing it? I mean, you are just like when you come out of there is crazy, right? And I think that one of the most unsettling things about manipulation is that sometimes

You walk away from the conversation questioning something you were completely sure of five minutes earlier. I walked into that movie thinking this was a documentary, showing what she did, how she did the fraud, and why she was going to prison. And I came out of there with an entirely different mindset. Whoo, we I know I jumped around probably a lot in that because I was trying to hit so many parts and I didn't want to give everything away and

I'm sure you won't remember a lot of these until you get there and you see it and you're like, oh yes. So hopefully you'll understand what I'm referring to. But I do want to tie this in to say, what does all this have to do with dating after divorce or relationships in midlife? Which is what I talk about. But it actually has a lot to do with it. And what I keep coming back to is this documentary isn't just about Elizabeth Holmes. For me, it became a story about power, about trust, about boundaries and control.

And I think sometimes we overlook controlling behavior because it doesn't always look the way we expect it to look. Sometimes it can look like devotion. It can look like someone wanting to take care of you, someone that you can trust, someone saying, Don't worry, I've got you. And that can be really, really attractive, especially if you've been through a difficult relationship and maybe you've spent years doing everything yourself and you just want to let somebody else do things for you. And then someone comes along who says, I want to take care of you.

But here's the question. Are they taking care of you? Are they supporting your independence or are they replacing it? Because a healthy relationship should allow you to be fully yourself. You should be able to disagree. You should be able to have your own opinions, your own decisions, and challenge things that don't feel right to you. And you shouldn't feel like you're walking on eggshells because you're worried about how your partner is going to react. So think about the difference between a relationship where you feel anxious and one that you feel calm.

So different. And I talked about this in my episode that was out previously, where I did a solo episode and talked about how I went through a full relationship of infidelity and the anxiety it caused. And how the relationship that I'm in now gives me nothing but peace and calmness because I am exactly who I am in this relationship and I'm not afraid to say anything. So I want you to think about what it feels like when someone actually respects your decisions, when someone allows you to disagree without.

Fearing their reaction.

Right? And there's one last thing about this movie that I think is worth talking about. It's called You Can See Everything. But can we? Because we're watching footage that filmmakers have selected and edited. We're watching reenactments. We're hearing different versions of conversations. And we're seeing Nathan himself become emotionally involved in trying to figure these people out. So even as viewers, how much do we really know? And isn't that true in relationships too?

You see what people show us. We see exactly what they want us to see. We make assumptions based on what we think we know, but we don't always see what's happening behind closed doors. And that is why I think it's important to pay attention to patterns of behavior rather than trying to make a judgment based on an isolated moment.

So you guys, I'm gonna wind this up here. I walked into this movie expecting to hear about Theranos and Elizabeth Holmes. I walked out thinking about relationships, manipulation, control, gaslighting, and how complicated human behavior can be. And I still don't know exactly what to make of Billy and Elizabeth. But I know the movie made me uncomfortable and it definitely made me think. So I want to hear from you.

Have you ever been in a relationship where something that initially felt protective suddenly started feeling controlling? Or have you ever watched someone else's relationship and noticed red flags that they couldn't see for themselves? And if you've seen, you can see everything, please come tell me what your thoughts were. Do you agree with my assessment of what's going on? Did you leave there as disoriented and confused as I did? Because I have so many questions and I really want to know whether you saw the same things that I did.

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