Relationship Expert Taylor Carr Breaks Down OFF CAMPUS: The Dating Lessons Everyone Missed

Andrea Knoche (: 00:00

Welcome back to From Mrs. to Ms So before I introduce our guest that is here with us today, I just want to remind you that last week, Ozzy and I had a conversation that sparked a lot of opinions and thoughts from us, but also from the listeners out there. We talked about the hit show that's on Amazon Prime right now called Off Campus. It doesn't sound like this steamy sex show.

Yes, it is, right? And it was happening on campus, let me say that. So we did not actually review the show or recap it, but we just unpacked the relationship dynamics, we unpacked the chemistry, the communication, and all the choices that has had everyone talking about this show. And so after we wrapped the show, I kept thinking, my God, I'd love to know what Taylor Carr would have to say about all of this.

Now, if you guys have not seen Taylor or heard her on my show before, she was on just a few weeks ago. Her and I had such a stellar conversation about love, relationships, dating. She listed out like how to get your profile right. She's a master at that. She talked about how she's dated five different guys at the same time.

That story that went crazy. Everybody was wanting to hear about that. It is so good. And she has so many nuggets that I'm hoping she's going to drop a lot more for you guys today So your first homework is to go back and listen to that show and you will get full insight on exactly who Taylor is. And then come watch. Well, actually, then go watch Ozzy and I last week if you haven't. Then watch this week with the three of us because we're going to talk about off campus again. Again, not recapping it, just kind of going through what Ozzy and I.

Thought about the show, our perspective, and from like a different era, like a different age. We're in a different age bracket than Taylor is. So we thought it would be great to have Taylor here just to give us her insight and all that good stuff. She has such a gift for seeing the deeper patterns beneath the relationships, the attraction, the self-worth, and the emotional safety. So we are excited to throw some of these moments at her and see where the conversation goes. Taylor, I guess I should say hi. Hi.

Ozzie Osborne (: 01:51

Ha ha ha.

Taylor Carr (: 02:09

Hi everyone.

Ozzie Osborne (: 02:10

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Taylor Carr (: 02:11

Welcome. Welcome to our podcast. I'm so excited to be here. Welcome.

Ozzie Osborne (: 02:11

huh.

Andrea Knoche (: 02:13

Welcome!

Ozzie Osborne (: 02:14

Welcome.

Andrea Knoche (: 02:16

We're so excited and we're ready for your hot takes. I'm like, I just know you're gonna have some really good insight on this stuff. You see things so clearly and I love that. So let's

Taylor Carr (: 02:26

I'm I'm fascinated

to hear what you guys think. I really cannot wait to like see what you guys said because I haven't been able to hear your episode yet. So this is gonna be so interesting. I'm on the edge of my seat.

Andrea Knoche (: 02:33

Yes.

Yes, this is great because you are coming in blind on this. So it this is going to be your true thoughts and intakes on it because you haven't heard anything that we've had to say. So that's very good. And I loved when I reached out to you. You're like, yeah, I totally watched this show. So I'm ready to go. Like perfect. Perfect. So right? Who hasn't? I don't know. Somebody I saw yesterday. I just said, have you watched that? And they were like, no. And everybody around me was like, my God, my God. And people our age, you know. So it's for everybody.

Ozzie Osborne (: 02:52

Who hasn't at this point? I just want to know who is not tuned in.

Andrea Knoche (: 03:06

It's for everybody right now.

Ozzie Osborne (: 03:07

Well, I was talking

about it today with my son and his friend. They've not heard about this show. They've not seen the show. And so I'd anyway, I'd I'd it'd be interesting. I was trying to explain it to him, I just I don't think I was making much sense other than like, Mom, stop talking about stop talking about that that way.

Andrea Knoche (: 03:13

Really? Mm-hmm.

Did they feel like lured in by what you were saying? Even like the hockey, did that lure them in or more the sex scenes? The hot people. No, none of it. Okay. So we'll chalk on here instead. All right. So yes, yes. So for those of you who haven't seen it, you really want to watch off campus, it's on Amazon Prime. ⁓ it's just basically a college show of

Ozzie Osborne (: 03:32

No. Mm mm. No, they just wanted me to stop talking.

Yes.

Andrea Knoche (: 03:50

Really hot guys, really hot girls, and you know how they get together. They address a lot of topics through this show. They address sexual assault. They talk about physical abuse. They talk about, you know, what did we say? double masturbating. I mean, we did that on there. That's what we said. You know, is it is coming into their own, their bodies, their sexuality. I mean, there was so much to touch on.

Ozzie Osborne (: 04:08

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 04:17

And we also mentioned that they are going to be going into the next season that's already coming out. And they're pulling two of the main characters, which was, ⁓ I'm trying to think of what they're, I know real name is Mika. I can't think of their names off the hook. That the other couple, Dean and Allie. Thank you. Dean and Allie. And they are, that's gonna be the focus of the next, the next season. So how cool for them, first of all. But really neat for us to see that. So I'm excited about that.

Taylor Carr (: 04:32

Dean and Allie.

Ozzie Osborne (: 04:32

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 04:46

All right, we're gonna jump in. So Ozzie and I both had pretty strong first reactions after watching this. She actually reached out to me and she's like, my God, you have got to watch this show. And I told her at first, I was not like all in on it. I was like, I don't know. But then it hooked me when they decided to move forward with the little experiment they were doing where she was gonna ⁓ you know do his homework and help him with his studying and everything. And he was gonna help her get the other guy. Now

Ozzie Osborne (: 04:56

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 05:15

Taylor, did you like this show right off the bat? Were you sold from like the moment it started or did it take a little bit?

Taylor Carr (: 05:21

A recommendation to watch it. Thank God. My astrologer is such a girly pop because I'm not a big TV person. So she keeps me plugged in to the things that I have to watch. She's like, dating relationship, this is for you. You have to watch it. So I already came in, like, I'm gonna like this because she knows I'm gonna like this. ⁓ with that said, it didn't take me very long to be very appreciative of this show. I really, really liked it.

Andrea Knoche (: 05:28

huh.

Perfect.

Yeah. And did you feel like there was so many things that you could touch base on within your own stuff you're doing? Cause you teach this stuff all the time. Or was there things that you were like, That's what I would have done. That's what I would have said.

Ozzie Osborne (: 05:55

Ha ha ha.

Taylor Carr (: 05:58

You

ls like it was written in the: 2010

Andrea Knoche (: 06:06

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Ozzie Osborne (: 06:07

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 06:16

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 06:20

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 06:20

Really?

Taylor Carr (: 06:26

People are really connecting. They're not on their phones as much. They're having vulnerable conversations. Even our like quote unquote douchebag guys of the show are heart-centered and honest and vulnerable. And so I was just loving feeling like I was maybe a 25-year-old girl again watching this show that makes me believe in love.

Andrea Knoche (: 06:30

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 06:43

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 06:45

Yes. Wow.

Ozzie Osborne (: 06:45

Yeah. Do you remember the movie Ten Things I Hate About You? It kind of has that flavor, right?

Taylor Carr (: 06:49

Yes.

Mm-hmm, exactly.

Andrea Knoche (: 06:52

Yeah. I thought

now that. It was done back in: 2010

Ozzie Osborne (: 06:58

Right.

Taylor Carr (: 07:17

The only time

that we really saw them on their phones was when he was researching her to get to know who she was before approaching her. And then the night after the ho the ⁓ birthday parties when they're on the floor on each side of the bed sending each other reels, but they're like animal reels being cute. They're not doom scrolling.

Andrea Knoche (: 07:24

Yeah.

Yes, and totally ignoring each other. They were doing it together, which was so cute. Now, what did you think of? I gotta hear what you thought of these guys and these girls. Now you're newly married, so we're gonna go a little easy here. Ozzie and I are single, so we get a little excited. ⁓

Taylor Carr (: 07:38

Yeah, yeah.

Ha ha

girl, I'm also excited. My husband watched this with me and I was like,

babe, hot. He's like, Really? I'm like, hot.

Ozzie Osborne (: 08:00

Take notes.

Andrea Knoche (: 08:01

Now did he think any

of the girls were hot though? I thought the guys were hotter than the girls. I will say that.

Taylor Carr (: 08:04

I mean, he's

he's so cute. He goes, What do you mean there's no hot girls anywhere in this whole world? And he just sticks to this. So I don't know how he actually feels, ⁓ except for the fact that he thought Ali looked like Miley Cyrus and he couldn't drop it. And I just disagreed. But that was that's all I got from him. I don't either.

Andrea Knoche (: 08:10

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 08:14

I love that.

Andrea Knoche (: 08:14

cute.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 08:23

I don't see that.

Andrea Knoche (: 08:24

No,

she's such a she's such a cutie. Yeah, she's such a cutie. But I ⁓ yeah, the guys were I thought if I had to take no, I say if I had to take my pick, but let me just tell you, I've seen a lot of like talk shows with each of them on there, and they are so good looking, like off camera even, like really good looking. And I'm like, wow, like sometimes you just think they do them up so good and

Ozzie Osborne (: 08:26

I don't see that.

Taylor Carr (: 08:28

Mm. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 08:54

So on TV we're like, ooh, they look so good. They look good. But ⁓ I like Garrett. Garrett's my choice.

Taylor Carr (: 08:57

Yeah. ⁓ Here's my

My thing about these guys is I have such a like I love good men lens that I love their characters so much. I I see them in their Gen Z clothes and I see them kind of just like being Gen Z boys on this like interviews and stuff and they're fine. I'm less attracted to them, but I will say my top pick, even though I could really go for any of them, is John Logan.

Andrea Knoche (: 09:07

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

⁓ he's the ⁓ the the brother or kind of like a brother to him, right? Like the friend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 09:31

Yeah, he's his best friend and he's Jules' brother and he's the handyman around town and he's fixing everything

and he's he's the backbone behind the healthy masculinity in the show in a lot of ways. He's the one who is trying to get Garrett to open up. He's the one who's like, You don't know Hannah, you don't she's been serving us a long time. He is thoughtful, he is witnessing, he doesn't miss things, he's the one who hears, Hannah doesn't drink in public. Give her this

Andrea Knoche (: 09:42

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Taylor Carr (: 09:57

Closed can, it's safer without overexplaining it and trying to make himself the like more educated on women one. He's the one who is consistently grabbing Garrett and calling him forward. Does he do some shady things in the show as far as like young boy stuff? Sure, he calls his dad behind his back, but Garrett never let him in on how painful it truly was. So how could he have known? He thought he was being healing. So this is a man who's consistently stepping forward, putting his own feelings aside and going.

Andrea Knoche (: 10:09

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 10:19

Right. Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 10:20

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 10:25

How can I call my brothers up? That's what's most important.

Andrea Knoche (: 10:28

Mm, great, great point.

Ozzie Osborne (: 10:28

Yeah. He felt like he

felt like the backbone, right? My question to you was actually you just answered it because it was I wanted to hear your lens from the lens of the archetype or the land which one you felt was the healthy masculine, which one you felt was the unhealthy masculine and same for the feminine. So I I wanna hear more around that and what your take was on on the characters.

Taylor Carr (: 10:45

Mm.

a college lens of like again: 2016

Andrea Knoche (: 11:06

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 11:07

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 11:10

Yes.

Hmm.

Taylor Carr (: 11:18

With heart and soul, because he actually likes women. So even in these locker room conversations, he doesn't say, dude, you just gotta bend her over and you gotta do this. He goes, dude, you gotta make her feel safe. Women open up when they feel safe. So even as this playboy that all the women know is sleeping with everybody, he makes every single woman feel seen, held, cherished, and he's completely honest about who he is.

Andrea Knoche (: 11:18

Totally.

Mm.

Yeah.

Mm, I love that.

Ozzie Osborne (: 11:43

Yeah, I felt pretty drawn

to I felt I got childish ⁓ vibes from him at first though. I felt like he was boyish, right? He was like a boy. But then they turned around when he and Allie got together and then I was so drawn in. I was so captivated by him.

Andrea Knoche (: 11:49

I

Ozzie Osborne (: 11:58

masculine we all love, right? Like the caring and the and the like he cared more than he shows that he cares. I thought that was really that was really great.

Andrea Knoche (: 12:00

Mm.

Yes.

So good. my god, I have questions. Yes. He's a boy.

Taylor Carr (: 12:07

And he is a boy. He's 22 years

Ozzie Osborne (: 12:10

He's a boy.

Taylor Carr (: 12:11

old, you know, and and he's he's like the hot man on campus, and he can get any woman. And like I think it's a it's an interesting way to show us that trope can have bad behavior and still be heart-led. Whereas I think in the real world, this is what we call a corrective experience, right? This show, and we'll get into that in second. But in this show, we made that guy loving anyway.

Ozzie Osborne (: 12:11

Right.

Andrea Knoche (: 12:16

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 12:22

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 12:22

Mm-hmm.

Taylor Carr (: 12:33

Whereas in real life, the men who have a lot of access to a lot of women don't have as much access to their heart. And I just found that was an interesting choice.

Andrea Knoche (: 12:33

Mm-hmm.

Mm, that's great.

Ozzie Osborne (: 12:41

Mm. They don't have

they don't have access to their own heart, you mean? Mm-hmm. So they use their ability to get any girl they want as a mask to not get close to anyone.

Taylor Carr (: 12:44

Mm-hmm.

I think personally, I believe based off of all the research I've done and even the science of the way that our bodies fire hormones in relationship and dating, I think that when a man has a lot of options and he can kind of get any woman he wants, these are the guys who behave really poorly and they don't treat women as, you know, this beautiful prize to take care of. They treat them like, well, if it's not you, it's gonna be someone else because I have this much access. I think men who have a lot of access to the feminine.

are not as connected to their healthy masculinity just based off of everything that I've seen. Whereas men who have less access tend to revere the feminine a bit more. They take it a bit more seriously.

Andrea Knoche (: 13:33

Hmm. I have a question for you, Taylor. So ⁓ I have actually two, and I want to go back to the other one after. But since we're on Dean, do you did you even see that coming with him and Allie? And why do you think he he kind of saw her now? Like he didn't see her all of this time. You know, she's been there, she's been around, but now all of sudden, you know, he kind of sees her. And then of course, as it goes on, you can tell by her personality and the way she is. She, you're drawn to her, right? Like she's just

Ozzie Osborne (: 13:33

Yeah, I love that.

Andrea Knoche (: 14:02

Such a neat character. And so I get why as it went on, he was like, ⁓ this girl's got it, like the it factor, right? They're what I'm looking for. But what do you think drew him to her in the first place, other than that hot dress, the Jennifer Lopez dress that she was dancing in, right? Why did he why didn't he see her before? my God, right? Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 14:19

Damn.

Taylor Carr (: 14:20

Good lord, that woman is gorgeous. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 14:23

Yeah, right.

Taylor Carr (: 14:25

Yeah. ⁓ so

well, there's a couple things here, right? Before she was a theater girl and theater girls and jocks don't really mesh. I was a theater girl too, and I was a beautiful theater girl, but I wasn't in that realm. We didn't really talk, like we'd pass each other. It didn't, you know, it's not, it's not our world, and she's not interested in that world. She has a boyfriend, her energy's closed. He witnessed her in a moment of full freedom. And as Dean De Laurentes does, he knows I'm hot shit. I can approach this woman and I can have her. And she said.

Andrea Knoche (: 14:32

Mm.

Yeah.

Yes.

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 14:49

Yes.

Taylor Carr (: 14:54

Just because you approach me doesn't mean you can have me. I'm not available for this. I'm not into jocks. I have my own boyfriend. I have my own life, my own thing going on. But she was open. She was in her body. She was enjoying herself. She was embodying a level of freedom that most women struggle to embody when there are other women around, when there's guys around, when there's alcohol, all these things. And like, can I really take up all the space and enjoy myself this much in a room where nobody else is?

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:00

Mm.

Andrea Knoche (: 15:05

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 15:22

And she took that opportunity because her boyfriend walked out to go get his Boston cup and to be Ben Affleck and she said, This is my moment to go dance. I'm just gonna do it real quick. So he witnessed her in herself, not moving towards him. And her no was very important.

Andrea Knoche (: 15:29

Then you walk.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:40

Mm-hmm. Yeah, she was very magnetic and he was drawn to that freedom and that magnetizing energy. And then also I think there was that sense of ⁓ I want one I can't have, right? There was that chase of that you know unattainable. I love that he accessed courage to go after it anyway, because I think that's where a lot of today's men tend to falter. They they see the freedom, they might want it, but they

Andrea Knoche (: 15:41

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 16:07

don't feel s that strength to just to to go up it's the risk taking, right? We're missing a lot of men taking risks, whereas as you mentioned, 2010, men would take more risks to approach a woman, whereas today men are not taking that risk.

Andrea Knoche (: 16:20

Mm-hmm. They don't have to.

Yeah. Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 16:24

Yeah. Well, also

men now can see a woman in that freedom and also want to obtain it and control it. And I have seen that that has really become more popular as well. And so their dynamic is really important where it's like the guy who can have any woman he wants is told no, but then they actually have a true connection moment of I'm not available. You're you've got chicks in the house, let's sit by this fireplace and just have a conversation like humans. And he saw her as a human who wasn't available, so he got to listen.

And because she wasn't available, he got to drop into his vulnerability as well. That's part of why their connection is so special, is because it's not just two hot people talking, it's two unavailable people, or mostly her unavailable and him emotionally unavailable, just connecting over heart. And she's not interested in his status. She's not interested in his popularity, his hockey score. She doesn't care about that. She cares about not receiving bullshit. And she makes that very clear. And because of that,

Andrea Knoche (: 17:19

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 17:22

He feels safe to be himself with her, which is different.

Andrea Knoche (: 17:25

Yeah. And I feel like they made her boyfriend in the show so polar opposite of him, of Dean. You know, the boyfriend just seemed more a little bit like a computer nerd, you know, just really more of who maybe she thought she was, but now she's really finding out who she is. And ⁓ I thought that was a really interesting way that they developed that because it allowed us to see her in one way with the boyfriend very vulnerable, very meek almost, you know, like she

just didn't know how to be. And she still showed a little bit of that throughout with Dean. You know, there were moments where she's like very out there. I love the scene when they were, I think they were in a house or his place. No, I think they were at his place and they were by the window and they started having this scene and she put her foot up on him and just kind of kept him at bay. And I was like, girl, ⁓ my God, I gotta learn that move.

And so I love that she was coming out of her shell as she was doing this and discovering this whole different side. I could never see her doing that with the other boyfriend they had, you know, the guy that they had for her. So I liked how they did that. It was really neat, very black and white. I liked it.

Taylor Carr (: 18:36

It's a great

Ozzie Osborne (: 18:36

Yeah, 'cause

I

Taylor Carr (: 18:36

example of the guy that you think is safe not actually being safe. And I think the casting was fantastic because he looks like a really nice guy and he talks like a really nice guy. He's got a lot going on for him. But the undercurrent is this little passion you have is little. And I would like for it to stay little. And I would like to lead you in the direction that's right for me. I'm not really considering you. But he's so sweet and nice about it that I think for us women, it's easy to miss.

Andrea Knoche (: 18:39

Yes.

Yeah.

Mm.

Mm. Good. So good.

Ozzie Osborne (: 19:04

A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And

he sort of robbed her of her freedom, right? I mean, I think this is why when she had that moment, she was able to be freely herself. And where which highlighted how much she wasn't free in her relationship with this nice guy, nerdy guy who really wanted to control her, but also came from judgment a lot of times. I felt that he was he had a lot of really strong judgments around who she was and who she wanted to be. And again, like you said, kept her very small.

Taylor Carr (: 19:31

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 19:32

Yeah.

Yeah. The other question I was going to ask had to do with the other character, John. John is his real name, right? Like, or was that his name on the show? That was his name on the show, John. Okay. Trying to keep all their names straight. Yeah, he's in theater too. He's a theater guy. Yeah. ⁓ so and I th I believe he's a singer too. So I think he's gonna get to do something with that. But, you know, they kind of did, and I had asked Ozzy this last week. We talked about his

Taylor Carr (: 19:41

It's his name on the show. I don't know his name in real life, but I know he's a fantastic theater performer. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 19:46

Yes, he is. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 20:00

⁓ desire for Hannah, right? Like he was all of a sudden like eyes wide open to her as well, kind of around the same time that Garrett was, really. And so they started to show you think it was before. Yes.

Taylor Carr (: 20:13

No. No. Yes, he started liking

her the summer that he fixed her blueberrow.

Andrea Knoche (: 20:20

⁓ blueberry.

Taylor Carr (: 20:22

He always knew who she was. He'd had a crush on her for years.

Andrea Knoche (: 20:24

Love it. Love it. That's right.

That's right. Great point. So that was actually what I was going to ask is it felt like that kind of just dissipated as the show went on. Like he kind of then was allowing them to be what they were, you know. And they still would show little glimpses of him, you know, the little, hmm, well, I why am I not with her? Or, you know, a little bit of that. But I ⁓ I felt like they kind of steered away from that.

Do you think they're gonna bring that around at some point? Or do you think he's like, no, this is like my brother? Like I would never do that. What do you think?

Taylor Carr (: 20:58

Yeah, I mean, I

think that he was concerned for Hannah because he cared about her deeply and he did want her to see like I'm here for you, I care for you. But the more he witnessed their dynamic, the more he saw it was real. And he fought it for a bit, but he was just like, That's my brother, and I want her to be happy. John Logan in the next season is about to have a fantastic love story with a new character.

Andrea Knoche (: 21:10

Yeah.

Mm.

Yep. Yep. And then he'll be the season after that, I'll be all about him, right? Yeah. So I loved the chemistry in this. And and Ozzie and I talked about that. Like you really felt it. Like, like with Allie and Dean. Like you felt that. Like I was like, ooh, I wonder what's going on there. And I've been watching kind of behind the scenes to see who's kind of been with who. And like Garrett has a beautiful girlfriend that he's had for years. And so that's a very solid thing. Now I did kind of hear rumor.

Taylor Carr (: 21:22

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 21:48

that ⁓ Allie and and ⁓ I can't ⁓ we couldn't do this last time I should have looked it up. The singer's name, the one that she did want initially. Do you remember his name?

Taylor Carr (: 21:59

so you are you talking about Ali or are you talking about Hannah?

Andrea Knoche (: 22:03

⁓ Allie. ⁓ I'm sorry. Yes, Hannah. Yes, I said Allie. Was it Luke? They didn't say his name too often, I don't feel like like the other ones were more prevalent, but ⁓ okay, we'll find we'll find that. ⁓ but anyways, I heard that Allie and him are off-screen now together, which is interesting. So I know, I know, and he's hot too. He's great. The tea, the tea.

Ozzie Osborne (: 22:03

So Hannah's crush that she had. She's talking about Hannah's crush. Yeah, the musician.

Taylor Carr (: 22:07

Yeah. Is his name Luke? I can never remember.

the T See he's

my least favorite character.

Ozzie Osborne (: 22:33

I agree. I did not I did not enjoy him either.

Andrea Knoche (: 22:34

Why?

Taylor Carr (: 22:36

Because I used to date him. That was my type. And I know how

Andrea Knoche (: 22:36

I just like looking at him. ⁓ You're like, I know what that is like.

Taylor Carr (: 22:42

it turns out. But this guy, again, you're dealing with the guy who's so into himself he can't even realize there's a cute girl stumbling in front of him until someone else who's more important than him wants her. And now he's all interested. And his behavior isn't great. I I like him the most after he steals her song, which is not okay. And then she's like, she confronts him.

Andrea Knoche (: 22:53

Yes.

Yes, not.

Taylor Carr (: 23:04

And i I liked him the best in that confrontation where he was like, Girl, get it together. These aren't your lyrics, right from you. And he that was my favorite version of him, but otherwise I thought he was pretty mediocre.

Andrea Knoche (: 23:11

Yes. So great.

Ozzie Osborne (: 23:15

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 23:15

Yeah.

Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what they they do with him. ⁓ I liked looking at him personally. That's all I'm gonna say. He won't be back. There's no reason to bring him back. I don't know. There

Taylor Carr (: 23:21

He's not coming back. He won't be back.

Ozzie Osborne (: 23:26

I'm not upset. I'm

not upset about that. I first of all I didn't I didn't find his act I wasn't drawn to him. I did not find his acting very compelling or very yeah, she didn't pull me. No, no. I'm I'm okay with it. Bye Felicia.

Andrea Knoche (: 23:32

Mm-hmm.

Taylor Carr (: 23:36

Mm-mm. Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 23:37

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they'll introduce

some dude. I'm not chasing you. So because we found this chemistry, like it was just, you know, so prevalent in the show. Do you think that women often confuse this chemistry with compatibility? I know we talk about this all the time. I believe they we totally do. I do that, you know, or I used to do that. I'm gonna say I don't anymore. But

Taylor Carr (: 23:43

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 23:43

Sh.

Taylor Carr (: 23:57

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 24:04

You know, how do you know the difference? Just to kind of give the listeners a little take on that, how do they know the difference between the chemistry and compatibility in your opinion?

Taylor Carr (: 24:11

I'm really

proud of this show and the way that they navigated chemistry because actually we see what we would consider typical chemistry, I believe, would be what the girl who's been sleeping with with ⁓ Garrett feel feels for Garrett. She feels like we sleep together, we're really hot, we've been sleeping together a while, and he doesn't do that. And to the puck bunny girl who's super beautiful, great body, they're having great sex. I think they have the chemistry that we're consistently mistaking for chemistry.

Andrea Knoche (: 24:25

⁓ in the beginning.

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 24:33

Mm-hmm.

Taylor Carr (: 24:40

And he's clear on that doesn't mean that I'm gonna be with you. So for him, that physical chemistry is not the same thing as emotional chemistry. Whereas she's believing the chemistry. We really like each other, we do really well together. I like I have this chemical reaction to you. So why don't you see it? She has that chemistry with him. Now, with Garrett and Hannah, it's not initial first chemistry. It's

Andrea Knoche (: 24:41

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Mm mm.

Taylor Carr (: 25:08

Go away, jockboy. I do not care about you. And he doesn't really care about her either until he sees her heart in singing on her Instagram. And they are building a bond slowly over time through this shared interest that they have. This is like one of the most refreshing takes on the nerdy girl helps the jockboy that I've seen in quite a long time, because he's already smart. He already has memorized all of this work. He just wants a little extra support and is interested in helping this girl, and he actually cares.

And it's the same thing with Ali and Dean. It wasn't initial, it wasn't it for a spark. It was a conversation around a fireplace where they saw each other as human beings, not just, you're hot. I would fuck you. So the that's the difference. It's not we're hot and we're fucking and now why isn't it working? I don't understand. It's now, wait, you just shared something really vulnerable. Now you've shared something vulnerable. And then we watch these men do the opposite of what we've been used to seeing in film.

Andrea Knoche (: 25:37

Yes.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 26:07

The amount of times I braced thinking something else was gonna happen, and then they handled it beautifully. You know, like a great example is Garrett learning about Hannah's sexual assault. In every film, the guy gets so angry, he punches the wall, he's like, who is he? And he goes full, you know, testosterone mode. Garrett held space. Garrett kept his calm. Garrett didn't feel like someone violated his property. Garrett felt Hannah in that moment.

Andrea Knoche (: 26:07

Mm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yes.

Mm.

Mm.

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 26:34

And so the chemistry that we're loving on this show is people actually caring about each other as people.

Andrea Knoche (: 26:35

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes, because we want to get back to that so bad, right? We see it and we love it. Did you feel like that whole situation was well, obviously you thought that part was handled well, but the way they we were talking about how her remember her phone call with her mom after when she was like, I'm so sorry, mom, I've ruined everything for you. You've spent all this money on me. And we were saying like that was so beautifully done as parents. Ozzy and I are both parents.

you know, seeing our child and her just saying, What did you do? What did you do? Right. And that was just such a a moment, just that one little question, because it made her stop and go, Yeah, what did I do? I mean, I I was 15. I'm just at a party. Somebody roofied my drink. And and, you know, she did come out and she got ostracized for it. But, you know, her mom was just like, What did you do? Did you feel like as well as as much as we did, because we're coming from a parent situation, did you feel that too like

Way to go, Mom. She handled that well.

Taylor Carr (: 27:39

⁓

God, you know, my husband and I were on the couch together. And he's, you know, he's about to be 40. I'm about to be 36. So we're not the kid age, but we're not the, you know, adult age with the adult kid. And we were just sitting there like slow clap for mom. My husband had tears in his eyes. I loved when she was like, Okay, what do you do? And she kept like the like A plus parenting. She let her own daughter work herself to the answer while holding space with love. God, that was beautiful.

Andrea Knoche (: 27:47

That yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. ⁓

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:03

Mm. Mm-hmm.

So beautiful.

Andrea Knoche (: 28:06

it was right. It was so well done. I thought they just really hit the nail on the head with that one, which I thought was great. Yeah, yeah. Did you feel

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:09

Mm-hmm.

Taylor Carr (: 28:12

⁓ yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:14

Yeah, 'cause as parents

as parents, we do tend to step in and try to fix, right? Or try to get in front of someone's problem. But ⁓ the fact that that they can show a parent just, you know, matter of fact, you know, just sort of bring bring Hannah to a place where she can get to get through, right? Get through that answer on her own or that question on her own or whatever whatever she was sorting through.

Andrea Knoche (: 28:18

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:41

and and just pause, right? It j it really gave a really great pause for me as a parent too, because I I often tend to err on either either t too much fixing and trying to be in front of and and coaching and also or just really giving them the space and giving them the the the the ability to just figure it out on their own. Right. But it it was just done in such a beautiful way. It was very inspiring is what all I'm trying to say.

Andrea Knoche (: 28:42

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Taylor Carr (: 29:05

Uh-huh.

Andrea Knoche (: 29:06

Yeah.

It was. It was.

I love that. And so we had a few moments where Ozzie and I were like, what like seemed like red flags in there, ⁓ and and some of it we kind of just talked about there, about where we're excusing behavior because there is that chemistry. You know, we kinda we do that a lot, right? We're like, well, we don't realize that this is actually an unhealthy, healthy relationship. And I guess you could see that with the singer that Hannah was really into. You know, all she's seeing is

you know, how cute he is and he's the lead of this band and she's not seeing the behavior like you just mentioned, how he had zero interest in her until some other guy does. Was there any like red flags that really stood out for you in the show you that you saw?

Taylor Carr (: 29:52

Mm, you know, obviously that piece, but not a lot is coming to mind right now because I think watching it from I'm Just a Girl lens, and I saw people making mistakes in relationship that were human, but I didn't see like giant red flags. Sure, like some yellows and some orange flags. ⁓ but I I saw 22-year-olds navigating love better than 35-year-olds and 40-year-olds and 50-year-olds do right now. So I was just proud. I will say there is something weird.

Andrea Knoche (: 30:01

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Right?

Taylor Carr (: 30:22

about the guy Allie meets at the bar when he's with when she's with the drama actress. This is a weird dynamic. What is her name again? The actress she's so in love with?

Andrea Knoche (: 30:29

Yes, yes, yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 30:30

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 30:35

⁓

gosh. I I know exactly what you're talking about. ⁓ her name is I'll bleep that in when I figure it out.

Taylor Carr (: 30:46

This famous theater actress that she looks up to so much takes her to a place where her brother's best friend's number one enemy walks in the room and encourages her to go be with him without us having any awareness that she even would know who he is. And we still don't know if she knows who he is. But when you think about the lineage, we still don't even know what that guy has done.

Andrea Knoche (: 31:01

Yes.

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 31:14

But we do know it has to do with Dean's sister. We do know that Dean is very upset at this man. And we know that now Dean's best friend sister put the woman Dean is falling for in the same room with this guy and encouraged her to hook up with him. This is weird.

Andrea Knoche (: 31:17

Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Yeah.

This is weird. This is weird.

Ozzie Osborne (: 31:30

Hmm. Can you tell

us more about Weird?

Taylor Carr (: 31:35

Yeah. Well, there's no evidence in which we actually know that this actress knew who this was, but it feels a little malicious to me. And I don't know why, and maybe it's not. But I don't think there's a world in which somebody who whose little brother is best friends with someone doesn't know some of the lore of where they come from. And she's about his sister's age, maybe I think. And it seems like everyone back

Andrea Knoche (: 31:55

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 31:59

From wherever they come from, knows what happened between Dean and this other guy that he does not want skating with them. So why did the sister say, That guy over there, that guy over there, that come on, go hook up with him, go kiss him, go. And she really pushed Allie when Allie was saying, No, I shouldn't, no, I don't want to, no, it's not. She's like, do it, do it, do it. You have the story. He's so hot. He's she was really pushing her onto somebody else. And the only person who knew.

Andrea Knoche (: 32:06

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 32:28

That Allie was hooking up with Dean was that actress's younger brother. So there's just an interesting connection here.

Ozzie Osborne (: 32:35

Mm-hmm. I is it weird from the lens of the audience, or was it just weird for you because it felt manipulative and and a bit

Andrea Knoche (: 32:36

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 32:44

There's a potential in which it's it was planted. And I don't know why. There's a potential in which the sister was doing it on purpose. But I don't know if that's true. Yeah, they're just all they're all from the same town. They all know each other. They all know the lore of what's happened. So it was just an interesting thing. I I didn't like, and every time Ali looked back at this, the actress sitting on the couch, she's like, dude, it's like really pushing it. Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 32:52

Mm. Yeah, we'll have to see how that unfolds.

Ozzie Osborne (: 32:53

Okay.

Andrea Knoche (: 32:58

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 32:58

Yeah, mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 33:02

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah. And would

you have even liked that if she didn't know the story behind any of them? Like just a friend, it seemed a little bit aggressive. Like her friend just, yeah, go up there and just make out with him. And I was thinking, ⁓ we don't even know this guy. Yeah. They're not. And so why would she take that from her?

Taylor Carr (: 33:24

Well they're not friends. They're not friends. They don't even know each other. She just knows that this this

young actress looks up to her.

Andrea Knoche (: 33:32

Yes, yes. That's

Taylor Carr (: 33:34

Yeah, there's just something that

doesn't feel totally authentic about that. ⁓ and there's something to me that also doesn't feel authentic about the character Jules. And I don't know why. I'm not sure how that's gonna unfold, but something about her isn't sitting well with me. And I actually don't know why yet. I can't I haven't been able to figure it out.

Andrea Knoche (: 33:38

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 33:53

Mm.

Andrea Knoche (: 33:54

Yeah, I I hear you because I kind of felt that too. There was just something off about her. Like I couldn't figure out her place in everything. She was just kind of there. A lot of the recording, you know, she was always there with like an answer for people. And it just felt like where are they going with that storyline with her? Because I I don't feel like they were really building a character of her. I walk away going, I don't even know anything about her. And maybe they wanted it that way. Maybe they wanted it to bring it out down the road, or maybe she's just

not an important character in the story that we're even gonna learn about.

Taylor Carr (: 34:27

I she's she's the gossip of the school, but maybe it's the character, like the casting choice that I'm not quite resonating with who the character is, perhaps. But even this, like she's really, really determined to stay this like underfed, undercut. We're poor. We're the poor family.

Andrea Knoche (: 34:30

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 34:35

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 34:44

Mm.

Taylor Carr (: 34:45

With mentally ill parents and you have to just make sure that you stay that way. And she's stealing the marshmallows when that beautiful roommate that I don't remember his name, but he's cooking for everyone and being so gorgeous. And she's making his life harder. She's making John's life harder. She's making everyone's life harder because she's like, you guys have to remember we're poor. And I just don't resonate with that energy.

Andrea Knoche (: 34:50

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 34:56

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 34:56

Yes, yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:09

Mm.

Andrea Knoche (: 35:09

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:10

Mm mm mm. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 35:10

Why we wanna remember that. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:13

I I could

see I could see that. And and and again, I think what makes for a good show is that sometimes it leaves leaves a lot unsaid. Some I am wondering and curious and excited for next season to see if they develop this character a little bit better or maybe or maybe just just connect the dots for us because I think there is a lot of missing missing things and again i w anytime you leave a show with missing links, oftentimes you want to come back.

Andrea Knoche (: 35:33

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:43

the next season to see if th those things will will be merged, right? ⁓ I did not read the the s the book series, so I don't know what happens. and I would be, you know, I my friend ⁓ who ha did read the whole series, I'm curious if she has an insight to that. So I'll find out for I'll find out for us. Although or I'll just keep the mystery.

Andrea Knoche (: 35:47

Yeah.

Me neither.

She might already know.

Taylor Carr (: 36:00

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it could I think that they'll probably get feedback from a lot of people that we were unclear about this character. So they'll probably sharpen her for us. but I do wonder if it was just the actress choice that has kind of thrown me. She feels like a again, it's this this weird thing that keeps coming up for me with the show is she feels very Gen Z with all of these millennials and it doesn't mesh together as fluidly as I would have liked it to.

Andrea Knoche (: 36:03

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 36:15

Mm. Got it.

Andrea Knoche (: 36:16

Mm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 36:27

Got

it. Okay. I could see that. I could see that. Those Gen Z.

Andrea Knoche (: 36:29

Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense. So I want to touch base on all my

my yes, those Shenzhen's. I want to touch base on my favorite part of all of it. It were these steamy sex scenes. ⁓ because I was mouth open, like, ⁓ my God, like what is going on here? And I I love a good sex scene, you know? And I'm it's I don't know if I'm still slightly shocked at how much they put on TV these days. Like there's no limits, right? Like it seems like

Cause I'm pretty sure wait, didn't we see penises in this? We did, right? In the locker room. Yes. And I guess that I often think of that. It reminds me of that show. There was a show a few years back, and I think it was called it was Sex Something. And they had this guy on there and he was in the shower scene. He turned around and it was like

Taylor Carr (: 37:02

It it was in the locker room.

Ozzie Osborne (: 37:07

I paused the TV. Did you?

Taylor Carr (: 37:09

I love it.

Andrea Knoche (: 37:23

you know, it kind of flopped out. It was very large and that was like a big to-do, because I think th they didn't know if it was a prosthetic or not. But ⁓ in this one, it threw me off because I find it interesting how we see that on the man. And not that I want to see it on a woman, but they never showed the bottom half of a woman, right? We see their boobs. And they they showed that early too with ⁓ Allie for whatever reason just showed her taking off her top and she turns back around to say something to her friend and her boobs were out.

I don't know where they were going. Yes, was with in the bed, full naked. And I was I was thrown a little bit by that because it was very early on in the show. And I was like, huh. I don't know. Do do you think that was necessary to help create and establish these characters? Or was it just like, let's get some attention here on this?

Taylor Carr (: 37:53

And the girl Garrett the girl Garrett was having sex with full naked.

You know, it's I think there's an interesting balance I'm feeling about this, where I'm a woman who would definitely say, like, I I've been in the industry a long time. I was an actress for 20 years. So I know this side stuff that goes on. And I so I'm the first person to say most of it can be implied. That's it's not necessary. And in this world, there's so much nudity on TV that it's almost like

Andrea Knoche (: 38:24

wow.

Taylor Carr (: 38:37

the show was working to keep up with the current structure, but still trying to keep it classy. And I do think they nailed it. Like I didn't feel like some of the nudity was overtly sexual. I felt like it was more beautiful. So I feel like they did a good job.

Andrea Knoche (: 38:41

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah. And what did you think about the actual sex scenes that were happening with okay for Dean and Dean and Allie? I mean, those were some pretty intense, you know, sex scenes. Do you think that this is what I don't know. I didn't go to college, but is this how it is or how is that college? Is that real? That they're

Ozzie Osborne (: 39:12

I don't think so.

Taylor Carr (: 39:13

No,

it's not. And let me tell you, I'm so grateful because these men know what they're doing. These men are like, but the whatever the the cast collectively agreed that this let me pull on the loop in your pants to bring you close to me. I am grateful because I think that this show is to exhibit healthy masculinity. I think that's really what the show is about.

Ozzie Osborne (: 39:15

No.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 39:24

Ugh.

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 39:32

⁓ dang.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 39:39

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 39:40

Grateful. And so even the way that they

Andrea Knoche (: 39:41

Yeah. ⁓

Taylor Carr (: 39:43

are making love to these women feels like healthy masculinity that has that bit of darkness that's controlled. It's not, you know, jamming away and pounding away like a lot of college kids are doing. And it's not, you know, it's it's this like artful artistry. Like this was sex written by a woman and I'm so grateful.

Andrea Knoche (: 39:45

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 39:48

Mm.

Andrea Knoche (: 39:50

Yeah.

Yes. That's how it still is.

Ozzie Osborne (: 39:56

Right.

Andrea Knoche (: 40:03

Yeah.

Yes, it was.

Ozzie Osborne (: 40:05

Yes. Yes. It felt

good. It felt safe. It felt ⁓ it didn't f it wasn't tasteless. ⁓ but I wanna go back to what you said about it. It's interesting because I hadn't even thought of it. Taylor, ⁓ I'm curious what you think about ⁓ about the idea that they do show they have no issues showing

Andrea Knoche (: 40:13

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 40:26

a man's penis, but they don't show a woman's vagina on TV. Why is that? I'm curious if if if you might have a thought on that. Cause thank you.

Taylor Carr (: 40:37

It's just interesting

because I I feel like it's still pretty new that we're showing penises on TV. I think breasts and bums have been shown for a while. Penises feel relative breasts and bums. penises feel newer. I wonder if it's a little bit of that corrective, yeah, ish, corrective experience of we've been like using and sexualizing women's bodies for so long. Let's let's balance it out a little bit. Whereas I think like a vulva, I think a vagina is.

Andrea Knoche (: 40:42

Mm.

Quests and bums. That sounds like a bar.

Ozzie Osborne (: 40:52

Ish.

Taylor Carr (: 41:06

Really, really personal and really intimate. Yeah, and sacred. And I think the film industry is still trying to respect that bit as much as they can. I have seen like pubic mounds and such more lately, which is done beautifully. But I really see that in all the ways that we can be taste tasteless and disrespectful in this industry, ⁓ they've really respected the pussy.

Ozzie Osborne (: 41:08

Sacred.

Andrea Knoche (: 41:08

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 41:13

Okay.

Andrea Knoche (: 41:18

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I I agree with that because, you know, it is a very personal and intimate thing. And if you think even about the way we talk so so freely about, you know, suck my dick or whatever. You know what I mean? Like we would never, we never talk about like a pussy or anything like that, right? Like we just don't. It's not this vulgar thing that we kind of say. I don't I don't really recall walking around saying that right often. Yeah. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 41:43

Mm-hmm.

Taylor Carr (: 41:54

Call each other pussies, right? Like, you're such a little

pussy. we're rewiring our relation. Yeah, we're rewiring our relationship with pussy right now. Like, I think for a long time it was this dirty, shameful, gross thing. And now we're really working towards making it this beautiful center of life and pleasure. And we're not all the way there yet. We're still in this in-between, but the pussy has always been taboo. So it from that lens, it also makes sense that.

Andrea Knoche (: 41:57

Pussy, but yeah, I don't know that I feel it's the same

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:07

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 42:09

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 42:22

We're not even ready to ship to show that on TV yet.

Andrea Knoche (: 42:23

To see

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:25

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 42:25

you're right, we're not ready. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:26

Not in a tasteful way. But but I will I will say that cause because here's the thing, I work with a lot of couples and and one of the exercises that I I often will give when I when we are in the intimate arena, ⁓ one of the things that one of the homeworks I do give them is is ⁓ pussy worship and also dick worship worship, right? So like why can't we make the penis I know I sound so penis?

Taylor Carr (: 42:28

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 42:47

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:55

⁓ why can't we make that sacred as well? Like I almost wonder if do we need to see it in on on film? Do we do can we start to again as we're evolving our ideas and our our ⁓ knowing about masculinity, can we s can we make it more sacred? Can we just keep that as a sacred, intimate, private ⁓ part for for both humans, right? Men and women.

Andrea Knoche (: 43:22

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 43:23

I don't know. I just kind of feel like right, 'cause I I think we kind of veer towards ⁓ a a world in which n now we're vilifying men and we're making men, you know, just just objectifying or or ⁓ obviously we've kind of swung the other way completely, whereas we're that's where women were for a very long time and still are. Now we're swinging the other way. And and can we honor both? ⁓ and so while we're showing and and and again, I'm also very grateful it was written by a woman.

Andrea Knoche (: 43:24

And can you go back? Mm-hmm.

Taylor Carr (: 43:26

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 43:44

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 43:46

really?

Ozzie Osborne (: 43:53

And that there's you know, a nice respect for the healthy masculine 'cause that's something that's that's that I've been teaching for a very long time. And it's it's it's I I'm happy. I w was happy to see it and and written in this way.

Taylor Carr (: 44:07

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I I can see that of wanting to make that sacred too. I guess it just depends on the lens of perception that we're viewing it from. Cause I think about I have a friend who's a nudist and he gets very offended around like the over-sexualization of the human body in general. So it's like, is the dick, is the penis being used to have sex in these scenes, or is it just men walking around the locker room and why are we choosing to sexualize it? But it just really depends on your view and your lens of the world.

Andrea Knoche (: 44:08

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 44:22

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 44:31

Yeah.

Taylor Carr (: 44:35

⁓ it like that penis shot felt like a shock factor, but it didn't feel sexualized. And so that felt very feminine in nature that like a woman would create it that way rather than something vulgar.

Andrea Knoche (: 44:39

Yes.

Yeah. It did feel like a little bit of a shock moment. And also it I remember thinking Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 44:47

Yeah.

Not to me.

Taylor Carr (: 44:52

Ela

do Ré.

Andrea Knoche (: 44:57

Bring it on.

Ozzie Osborne (: 44:57

Listen,

bring Bring it on. ⁓

Andrea Knoche (: 45:02

I remember thinking that I found it odd that she walked into that locker room and there were multiple men in there that were nude and none of them were like, my god, there's a woman in here. They were all just like free balling. They didn't care. I found that interesting. You know?

Taylor Carr (: 45:16

Yeah. Well, I found it

really interesting that many of them were uncircumcised and were in America. And I was like, we have hot dogs with Janet. I didn't. I don't have to pause. I'm like.

Andrea Knoche (: 45:24

You must have paused those things to find that girl. She's gonna scan

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:28

You have some extra skin.

Andrea Knoche (: 45:31

real quick. ⁓ And you are, and you are, and you are not. ⁓ that's awesome. So, speaking of pleasure and penises and volta vagina and everything, what did you think about the I I don't know if I just call it the double masturbation scene of the two of them, Hannah and Garrett.

Taylor Carr (: 45:35

Yeah. ⁓

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:50

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 45:52

I told Ozzie, I'm like, I have not seen this before on TV. Like, and especially you're like so you gotta watch her on YouTube. She's so flustered right now with heat. ⁓ but right, that was a hot scene, and I thought it was very tasteful. Did you agree?

Taylor Carr (: 46:14

I have never seen anything like that on television. And for as much as these scenes made me gasp, this one had me like, I can we rewind it? I'm sorry, I have to reprocess this information. The eye contact, the deep respect for each other, the fact that they were still technically friends, the fact that he gave her all the power but said, You're not alone, I'll join you. The the I, yeah, flustered is the word. I'm impressed.

Andrea Knoche (: 46:17

Right.

⁓

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Right. I was too. I I was doing work and I was like, I mean, my glasses went down and I'm like, whoa, and I could not stop watching, I'll tell you that. I was hot. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 46:42

Impressed. But

Yeah. Definitely panty wedding. ⁓ but but I do

but Andrea and I were talking about the reality of this. We talked about what it takes for two people that are friends to get there, right? What the the the amount of trust that it would take, especially for a woman who's been ⁓ sexually assaulted, ⁓ violated, to be able to get there with someone, you know, the amount of trust.

Andrea Knoche (: 47:06

Mm. Mm.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 47:21

that needs to build, right? 'C trust is just not something you pass out. Something that's built. He's a new friend and she also knows his history. The reality of that happening. And while I am really good at suspending belief, there was a moment where it was like, hmm, okay. The reality of all that. So while I love that it happened, I'm wondering in the sequence by but you know, at what point did it when it happened, did they have enough build trust with each other and and

Andrea Knoche (: 47:24

Yeah. And he's a new friend. He's a new friend. Yes.

Is that could that really happen?

Cares. It was hot. I'm just kidding. No. No, no, no. I I hear you, Taylor.

Taylor Carr (: 47:51

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 47:52

It was hot, but I might that's where my brain went.

Taylor Carr (: 47:58

It's a great observation. I mean, I think even for me when I think back on my sexual adventures, ⁓ I don't know that I've ever gotten there with somebody, although I'm sure I have been there with someone that is just such a to be face to face, also not side by side. I think that that's the part. But I it takes me to the moment at the karaoke bar when he's like, Would you like to drink tonight? And she's Well, I don't. He's like, I know you don't, but would you like to?

Andrea Knoche (: 48:13

Yes,

Taylor Carr (: 48:25

Let's solve this problem together. I'll watch your drinks with my life and I will take care of Ali. And he goes, Do you trust me? And she goes, Yeah, I do. And she said it like I've thought about it. And yeah, I actually really trust you. And I think that that night gained so much trust between them because she came home ready to have sex. He said, This is not in alignment. You are intoxicated. You will not remember. Let me get you in bed and sleep next to you. ⁓ and I think that that night.

Andrea Knoche (: 48:50

Mm.

Taylor Carr (: 48:53

changed the way that she felt about him in a lot of ways, but trust and respect that brought their friendship to the next level of wow, this friendship, no matter what it becomes, is growing both of us. And so I'm willing to grow in that direction with you.

Andrea Knoche (: 49:09

Mm-hmm. So good. It was so good. So, my last thing to ask you, ladies, if Hannah walked into this studio with us right now and she asked each of us for some advice before she makes any decisions on anything, what would be, Taylor, I'm going to ask you first, what would be the best piece of advice you could give her? And this could be at any any spot within the show. It doesn't have to be at the end or the beginning. What advice would you give to her?

Ozzie Osborne (: 49:10

Yeah, good point.

Ooh.

Taylor Carr (: 49:35

The biggest thing that stands out to me for Hannah, I mean, I think she did a great job being a girl, falling in love and navigating all the things she was navigating. But there's one moment that I would love to coach Hannah on, and that is that no matter how you felt, that was one of the most important hockey games of his college career. And you actively chose to be selfish. And it's okay to be selfish. You had she did have something to do.

Andrea Knoche (: 49:40

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 49:42

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 49:54

Should have been there.

Mm.

Taylor Carr (: 50:02

She didn't communicate with him. He's calling. He doesn't know where she is. He's all over the place. And then she showed up and it was like, sorry, got distracted, didn't tell him why, was not honest with him. And so I would say you get to be more in integrity with the relationship you say that you want. If you would like for him to show up fully authentic, fully present with you, you get to show up in the same way. For him, that day was not about you. And there was a lot going on. But if you chose,

Andrea Knoche (: 50:06

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Taylor Carr (: 50:31

to let the trauma of that day impact you, you get to tell him before the hockey game, not after in the middle of it, because you have a hand in what happened just as much as he did.

Ozzie Osborne (: 50:43

Mm.

Andrea Knoche (: 50:43

Such a great point. I actually remember thinking something similar to that. Like, why is the focus so much on her and what she's going through? This is uber important to him. And he's having to stop what he's doing to keep calling her and calling her. And he's making that effort to be like, he was getting more worried about her at this point, you know, than she was with him. So that's such, such a great point. And to the listeners out there, like, yeah, show up authentically and show the integrity of.

for both sides as you would want to be treated. And I agree. Like what happened, she escalated a lot of that that ended up happening when he's like flipping out, you know, he had so much on his plate, including the issues with his dad. So I know.

Taylor Carr (: 51:24

Mm-hmm. And he didn't even yell at her. So again, there's that corrective experience.

We expected him to flip out and he was like, Okay, as long as you're safe. Like that, that was his reaction. So he deserved more truth.

Andrea Knoche (: 51:33

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. That's wild. Ozzie, do you have any advice for little Hannah?

Ozzie Osborne (: 51:40

Yeah.

Well, I

agree with ⁓ Taylor because I think that she really navigated this as a girl would, a college girl would. And I think that she, you know, did the best that she that she could ⁓ with what she had. I would probably work with her on some nervous system regulation. I would probably support her in maybe going back to the experience of what it was like to be violated to

Andrea Knoche (: 51:52

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 52:13

reshuffle that in her subconscious and be able to get to a place of acceptance, also a place of healing, so that she can get to a place of being truthful about where where she was at and share that reveal that that with ⁓ Garrett when when it does come to it. And I agree with you, that scene was kind of strange for me. It felt off sort of off character to her. ⁓ where she 'cause I I think she really does care for him, but she does

Andrea Knoche (: 52:28

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 52:40

She she was operating from the lens of a lot of self-centeredness, in a few spots, I thought, but I also think she that comes from pr a protective part of her, right? A the part of her that needed to protect, the part of her that's been violated in in this d big distrust that she might have with men. And and not only men, I just think she was also remember, she was also attacked by her whole town. Her whole family, you know, had to be

Andrea Knoche (: 53:04

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 53:07

it was so violating in so many ways. There's so many ⁓ ruptures there for her that never got repaired. So I would I would work with her on the on the repair aspect so that she can have a healthier ⁓ relationship moving forward.

Andrea Knoche (: 53:20

Yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah, I was ⁓ my part I would probably tell her I was thinking about her going for the the lead singer, Justin. Justin as a say there it is, there it is. ⁓ again, just something I'd mentioned before to pay attention to the actions and you know, not just the story she's telling herself or the potential she's seeing, right? Because potential is not gonna build those healthy relationships. So I would tell her to just

You know, open your eyes. I tell all the listeners out there, open your eyes and and pay attention to the actions rather than the potential. So I think we gave her some great advice, y'all. I think that was good.

Ozzie Osborne (: 53:58

Yes, and and

and I think if there's something to be said about actually experiencing some of these messy moments, right? Like we're gonna air, we're human, and I think that's where we learn and grow the most. And I think she did that beautifully. So I I I I think, you know, her stumbling and having to figure it out on her own was so beautifully portrayed because it it just showed that, you know, she's human. And and and I think that's what makes a show so compelling. You just feel the humanness in all of them and and I appreciated that.

Andrea Knoche (: 54:05

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's mm.

Taylor Carr (: 54:27

Yeah. I love their mistakes.

⁓ I love their mistakes because I think we either go to every extreme, like, they're so perfect or they're so bad. And we're not really showing the humanness in the in-between in cinema right now. And I think that's why, you know, this show wasn't just about hot relationships and hot people, though we love to watch. It was also about friendship and being really great friends with each other. It was about healthy masculinity and men really supporting each other and even their locker room talk was respectful. It was about

Andrea Knoche (: 54:40

They did that well.

Ozzie Osborne (: 54:52

Mm. ⁓

Andrea Knoche (: 54:53

Mm-hmm.

Taylor Carr (: 54:57

getting to know people truly and actually adoring the other sex rather than judging them. I mean, it was about fighting for what you like and putting yourself first, even when it's hard, but also caring for others. It was about honoring everyone's strengths and and not just focusing on their weaknesses. I mean, the show did a great job of giving us the exact experience that we're craving and that we're missing right now. And I hope that people will will watch it and will see more than just hot sex, but see truly genuine people who care.

Andrea Knoche (: 55:19

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 55:27

Yeah. Let let the sex pull you in, but then really pay attention, right? Have you seen have you seen the movie Hamnet?

Andrea Knoche (: 55:27

Yeah, yes, so well said. But then really focus and watch. Yes. ⁓

Taylor Carr (: 55:32

Correct.

Andrea Knoche (: 55:37

Not seen that.

Taylor Carr (: 55:37

I didn't

watch it yet.

Ozzie Osborne (: 55:39

Okay, Tilly, you have to see it. I just think you're going to have an experience. That's all I'm gonna say. There are anyway.

Andrea Knoche (: 55:41

Okay. Mm. Interesting. Interesting. I do I

Taylor Carr (: 55:44

Okay.

Andrea Knoche (: 55:47

I do remember something about the those two, the actor and the actresses who are just phenomenal, that they really felt like they were in this relationship together. And you could see that just from I saw it just from the clips, but we're digressing there. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 55:58

Please watch it. There's so much

beautiful, like just history about masculine and feminine, but also the messiness of of of the feminine and the and it's just it's just a stunning piece of art. I don't know. We we my friends and I left the theater. Actually we didn't leave quite quite fast. We stayed after everyone else left and and wept. Just wept. Just I w you just feel seen in so many different ways. Anyway, please I encourage you to.

Andrea Knoche (: 56:26

Hmm, have to touch on that.

Love it. So before we go, let's just do a quick like first that comes to mind. Tell me your favorite character, your favorite scene, and who you would love to see more of down the road. Who wants to get?

Ozzie Osborne (: 56:29

Divulged.

Taylor Carr (: 56:40

Hmm, I mean,

I think my k my favorite character is John Logan, just because also he's my husband archetype. He's very Virgo in nature. This is the type of man I married, so I just love him. ⁓ my favorite scene was probably the karaoke scene and seeing her just be so in her element and in her body. It was so cute and and everyone was ⁓ honoring her in that moment. and what I would like to see more.

Andrea Knoche (: 56:44

Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Who you'd like to see more of.

Taylor Carr (: 57:07

Who

I like is I mean, I just wanna see Dean and Allie get it on more honestly. 'Cause wow. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 57:10

It's coming, it's coming.

Ozzie Osborne (: 57:14

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 57:15

It's hot. It's hot. ⁓ what about you, Ozzy? Favorite pr favorite character, favorite scene? Who you want to see more of?

Ozzie Osborne (: 57:15

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Also, John,

I really, really was drawn to him. ⁓ favorite scene was the the scene at the window with Dean and Allie. and who I would like to see more of. I think ⁓ yeah, all of them. I think all of them just just I'm I'm curious just to see how every every one of them develops. Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 57:28

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Plays out, plays out.

I loved my favorite character, it probably Garrett. I just loved the growth that he went through in the show from beginning to end. And my favorite scene was the devil masturbation because I had not seen that before. And I want to see that again. And see more of Is Me is well, Ally and Dean. There is just something that this spark, it was just different and it was believable. Like if they told me off.

Taylor Carr (: 57:53

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 58:00

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 58:06

camera that they were together, I'd be like, of course they are. You know, you felt it. You really felt it. So my God. So, so good. I love conversations like this because they they're never really actually about the TV show, right? They're about us and how we see ourselves in these stories. And sometimes they help us to recognize like patterns we didn't even know we had all of these things that we're seeing through a different lens. So I love that. Taylor, thank you so much, my dear, for bringing your perspective today.

I always leave these conversations with you thinking just a little bit differently. And I know our listeners do too. So thank you for your insight. You're such a beautiful, beautiful person, inside and out. So, and Ozzy, my girl, you know, I love you. Thank you for joining as well. Yes, ma'am. And to the listeners out there.

Ozzie Osborne (: 58:47

Yeah.

Or as or as

the Gen Zers do this 'cause they're too lazy to that's a heart and they're 'cause they're it's too much to do this for them. So this is what they do now.

Andrea Knoche (: 58:56

What is that? ⁓

Really? ⁓ it's just

such a lazy world. All right, if you watched off campus, we want to hear from you. What did you love? You can answer those three questions. Who was your favorite person, your favorite scene? Who do you want to see more of? We'd love to hear from you in the comments. This whole video will be out on YouTube for you to see. You can email me at from Mrs. Temiz Podcast at gmail.com. I'll have Taylor and Ozzy's info in the show notes for you guys to reach out to them as you wish.

Thank you, ladies. I will see everybody next week. Bye.

Taylor Carr (: 59:35

⁓

Ozzie Osborne (: 59:35

Bye.