Off Campus: Why Everyone Is Obsessed with This Steamy Romance

Andrea Knoche (: 00:00

Welcome back to From Mrs. to Ms I'm your host, Andrea. I've got my girl Ozzie here with me today. Hey Ozzie, how are you?

Ozzie Osborne (: 00:07

Hey,

good how are you?

Andrea Knoche (: 00:10

I am good. I am excited. I am warm and tingly. My fanny is fluttering right now because we I got some fanny flutters going on. Do I or don't I? I'm not sure. Nope. I'm excited because we're talking about a show today that you turned me on too because you called me, literally turned me on. You called me.

Ozzie Osborne (: 00:19

Fanny. You don't wanna know why my fanny is fluttering right now.

Literally turned you on.

Andrea Knoche (: 00:38

When you were breaking out in sweats over watching this show, you're like, hubba, hubba, what you were you were fanning yourself. And this is the show that everyone seems to be obsessing over right now. It is called Off Campus. It is currently number one as we're recording this, currently number one on Amazon Prime. I have binge watched it.

Ozzie Osborne (: 00:52

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 01:01

I did enjoy it very much more than I thought I would. And we can get to that because I don't think I loved episode one until right in the end. It caught me. so I want to talk about that. And yes, well, there are so many steamy, steamy, steamy scenes in this. That is not totally what caught the attention for me. To for me, it was how you know, we're managing these conversations that are being had. It sparked a lot of conversations about sex, about consent.

about trauma, you know, the relationship between the main character and his dad, right? That was huge. dating, friendship, and you know, just how we're navigating through that. And yes, this is more of a college show because they're in college, but there were so many lessons to be had in there. So

Ozzie Osborne (: 01:32

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 01:50

We're not here to recap the show today for anybody that's hoping we were gonna do that. We're not doing that.

So are you ready to dive into this? Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 01:57

Yep. I'm ready. And I'd want to start by saying that

this is actually an ad out wow, an adaptation of a book series. So, you know, it already had a very big following. And I did not read the book series, but my friends have read it and said that this is one of the first adaptation that they've seen from book to screen that actually.

Andrea Knoche (: 02:08

A book, yeah.

Me neither.

Ozzie Osborne (: 02:26

is somewhat true to the characters and she really appreciated that 'cause most most adaptations end up really destroying the book and leaving you kind of confused for those who are fans of the author. So good job, whoever whoever wrote the screenplay. Good job.

Andrea Knoche (: 02:28

Mm.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah,

thanks for adding that because I totally forgot that it was actually a book series. So that's exciting. I have not read the books either and I wonder how aligned they were. If they were, you know, you're saying it it did adapt over very well.

Ozzie Osborne (: 02:58

Yeah, and

every se every season is gonna be, I guess, one book. And then, and each in each will follow, just so everyone's aware, it's gonna follow the the different characters. So I think every season, you know, for those who know about the storyline, it sets up the next the next main characters for next season. So we are we already kind of know who the next the next you know, we we're invested in their storyline, which is really great.

Andrea Knoche (: 03:20

Yes, yes.

Yes.

Okay. And we'll touch base on that here shortly. So, you know, I just want to talk about why do you think that this show has just been such a phenomenon out of nowhere? you know, I didn't even know about it or anything. And then you you reached out to me and you're like, my God, have have you on have you seen this dirty little show called off campus? And I'm like, I love dirty little shows. So I had to go check it out. Why do you think that this

Ozzie Osborne (: 03:42

Yeah.

Ha ha ha.

Andrea Knoche (: 03:56

Do you think that's why? Because it's got these great looking guys and there's a lot of steamy sex scenes and or or is it something deeper?

Ozzie Osborne (: 04:04

Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think it's all

the above. I think it's A, it already had a following. So people were anticipating this if you read the if you read the series. And then B, everyone in there is is really, really yummy to look at. And so I candy, right? But also the storyline feels relevant. It feels current, it feels relatable, and it feels

Andrea Knoche (: 04:10

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 04:30

connected. And so, you know, the chemistry between the characters were I I thought were were pretty good. So I think you connect with that too. When I see a rom com or I see any any movie or series, what I get drawn to is the the chemistry. Like I wanna feel I want to feel something when I'm watching it. Like whether feel something down there or feel something in my heart, I want to feel yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's

Andrea Knoche (: 04:42

Mm-hmm.

Mm. Yes, yeah.

You wanna feel it.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 04:57

How

I quantify something that's you know, good good watch, good Netflix and chill night.

Andrea Knoche (: 05:02

Yes. That's so

true. So I think that you know, a lot of this, it's it felt there was a lot of casual sex throughout the entire season, right? There's a lot of casual sex, and then of course there's more and I should probably say the spoiler alert, we are gonna talk about the whole season. So from soup to nuts. So if if you're not ready to hear this, you know.

Ozzie Osborne (: 05:24

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 05:28

Pause right here and go watch, but you better come back because we've got some really good stuff to say about it. but my question was asking about if sex has become more casual or are we just talking about it more? Is sex that casual? I mean, these guys were like, they're together, they're together. I mean, the first episode started out with the main character, Garrett, like just hooking up with the girl, right? Like that was obviously a casual fling for him because he wasn't really into her. Is that

Ozzie Osborne (: 05:49

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I mean, from what I hear, obviously I'm not in that culture, but yeah, I think this new generation is very casual and some of them don't even have sexual intercourse, you know. but for those that do, it it is very casual. It is very it's less about, you know, getting into relationship. It's more about, you know, hookup culture. I don't think they call each other boyfriend and girlfriend for a while. They're dating their they're

Andrea Knoche (: 05:58

I is that happening?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 06:26

kind of getting to know each other while getting to know each other, getting to know other people as well. So I think, you know, it's probably more jarring to us because we're used to coming from a generation that that, you know, invested time in relationships right up front to now this hookup culture. Like let's get together with whomever. And my mind is always like, I hope they're safe.

Andrea Knoche (: 06:28

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yes.

I know, I know. And and

I was wondering, is this the first generation that's really this free about it? The sex positive? I think it feels like we're in this space. I'm trying to think what other shows were out there. I know they recently had that heated rivalry, which I have not watched. have you watched that? yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 06:59

I don't know.

yeah. Yes. I resisted it

for a while. And then when I started watching, I was like, okay, I know why they're yep. Yeah. yeah. yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 07:15

Woo. Yeah. So

it seems like a trend right now, which I can only assume more is going to be coming, right? Because they're like, everybody is latching on to this, right?

Ozzie Osborne (: 07:21

Yeah. Very steamy.

Listen, ha you take hockey,

you take sexy men. Anna? Just saying. I'm just saying. It's like the hockey is a new rock and roll, you know? Like back back in the day it was like a rock and roll thing. And now it's hockey, like a sport show plus plus a you know, a good a good steamy sex scene.

Andrea Knoche (: 07:32

That's both shows. Both Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

I never thought of hockey like that, I guess, is like this sexy sport. Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 07:54

but think about hockey, right? It's so physical and

it goes by so quickly and you're so you know, it's it's it is like I've always found hockey to be fascinating and sexy because you know

Andrea Knoche (: 08:10

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 08:13

Yeah. Men chucking at each other and bump yeah, yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 08:15

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, just all of that. Yeah. I gotcha. Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 08:21

Yeah. Give me hockey any day. I could hockey

is one of the sports that I I grew up watching. Hockey and basketball.

Andrea Knoche (: 08:28

Yeah. okay. I'm totally I like I should have. Hockey, I'm from Canada, but I didn't. but yeah, football and baseball are my things. I know, you would think. Yeah. So I don't know. yeah. So I guess that's why there's such a hype about it. Everybody is just you know, it's like taboo, right? And everybody is doing like with their eyes half closed, but you wanna watch. I mean, we're gonna get to you know.

Ozzie Osborne (: 08:34

yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 08:54

I hope we're gonna talk about the subject of the mutual masturbation that just totally that floored me, not gonna lie. I was like, we're doing this, we're going. Okay, here we go. You know, and so

Ozzie Osborne (: 09:04

Yeah, that was a that was

But you know it's interesting is like even that storyline, right? Like the like let's talk about that, set that up of like that arrangement that they had was so fascinating to me. I found it to be so not of I would imagine not of this like it's kind of like very different. and so anyway, I didn't want to and and for those

Andrea Knoche (: 09:16

Yes.

Felt it all.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I want to touch on that a little

bit more.

Ozzie Osborne (: 09:29

Yeah, so for those who don't know what I'm talking about, they they let's talk about their arrangement. Well let's talk about the the the show anyway. Like let's set up the characters.

Andrea Knoche (: 09:34

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. Okay. So we basically have we have Hannah who they I think her name was Hannah Wells, right? So they call her Wellsy pretty much throughout the whole show. And then we have Garrett Graham, who is a you know

His family was wealthy, his dad was this famous hockey player. So he comes from money, you know, very different lifestyle than Hannah, who is struggling. You know, she has a scholarship and she is at risk of losing that scholarship. And so she's taking on all these extra jobs and doing these extra things in order to make money. So two very polarizing situations here, right? Where they're they're both going to through tot they're both going through totally different things and just trying to get through it. Right. So then,

And in the first episode, and I think why it didn't really like hook me, it just felt like it had already been done before, you know, she's the the you know, the very innocent, book smart, you know, girl that's just doing her little job and she's picking up things at the you know, in the hockey in the locker room and all this stuff. And he and then there's right at the beginning. Yeah, and then there's hot Garrett who's in there showering and right off the bat when they showed his ass, I'm like, yeah, we're going. Okay. And

Ozzie Osborne (: 10:37

Yeah the that's right, the locker room.

Down. How did that

not hook you?

Andrea Knoche (: 10:52

I know.

And I and she looked at that. And then it was just kind of this little thing between them, right? Like I don't he's I think he saw her as maybe maybe a cute little sister or something, like right off the bat. And she kind of saw him as this wow guy, but that's not the guy that she was actually into,

Okay. he's really cute too. Yeah. Yeah. And he's the lead singer for a band, and she was really into him.

Ozzie Osborne (: 11:12

So she was yeah, she was into a different guy, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 11:18

Anyway, she is really into this cute guy. So they come up with an arrangement. So Garrett is like, I'm going to help you get this guy, but you need to help tutor me. It felt very can't buy me love. Remember that? Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 11:31

Yeah. Well what do you

think what do you think his draw to her was? I'm curious what your thoughts were. Like what do you think attract like 'cause he was very drawn to her very early on. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 11:41

Mm-hmm. Quickly.

Quickly. I think he, well, he saw that she got the A plus on her test, right? So that was just, I think, the first thing that he was like, okay, she's smart, somebody I could totally, have help me. and then I think that when he saw her in the locker room, I think he just saw a little different side of her, something that he hadn't already.

been with or you know the g the girl that he was with right off the bat in the beginning of the show was very typical of what you'd see him to be with right she was attractive and she had no shame I mean they showed her boobies right off the bat right like she had no shame in herself you wouldn't we never saw Hannah do that actually through the entire thing although they're very big boobies. I was like girl she has big boobs yes I was like ooh okay

Ozzie Osborne (: 12:03

Right.

Mm-hmm.

She does have big knockers. She does have big boobies.

Andrea Knoche (: 12:32

it was uncharted territory that turned him on.

Ozzie Osborne (: 12:35

And also,

I think she gave she played hard to get. So I think she because she wasn't so easily available, he was drawn to that. Cause he probably has he experienced getting girls so easily with her, it wasn't that easy because she wasn't interested in him at first. She was interested in in the musician. So I think that that that like cat mouse game was very attractive to him. And I would imagine from for most men, it's to have that chase to have that like.

Andrea Knoche (: 12:39

Mm.

Yes, yes.

Turn it. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 13:03

ability to kinda go after something was was fascinating.

Andrea Knoche (: 13:06

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. So then at that point, just so you fully understand the story, they went for a couple episodes of them trying to get her with the musician guy, but you could see the way he was looking at her, the things she was were saying that was evoking some kind of different emotion from him. And I think he liked that. I think there was a lot more depth to him than he was ever putting out there.

Ozzie Osborne (: 13:29

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 13:34

And so I think that brought it out. and then I think for her as well, she was kind of seeing him. he's not just a dumb jock, like he actually has personality and he has like a history and he's not just this rich guy and he's smart. Yeah. and then we came into the scene where she was going to have sex with this musician guy, or she was assuming she was, we don't know that she actually was.

Ozzie Osborne (: 13:44

Be smart. Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 13:54

But he was inviting her over and she was preparing herself. And that episode opened up a lot about her a sexual encounter

So it gave dynamic and depth to what we were looking at and why she was feeling the way she was. and so she was looking at Garrett to help her have her first orgasm. She had said I can have many orgasms with a vibrator, but not with a man.

Ozzie Osborne (: 14:16

Now with a man. Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 14:17

It was this fear and it kept taking her back to that sexual assault. did you think that was or like what did you think about all of that and her asking him to basically help her? Is that something you would ever have done? Any of this? No.

Ozzie Osborne (: 14:20

Mm-hmm.

With a friend, no. I that I

mean, I think that was hard for me to to kind of believe because but again, it could've spoken to the times, it could have spoken to their age. But I don't think I would have asked any of my guy friends, because my guy friends are in a very, very specific category in my brain. They're in the friend zone. if I step over to intimacy with them, then they're no longer in the friend zone. So it just didn't make much sense.

Andrea Knoche (: 14:35

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 14:55

obviously I think there was parts of her that were curious about him and that she she liked him and I think she didn't come to terms with it because she was so hyper focused on getting this musician guy but she was drawn to Garrett, right? Like you could feel that there was like this sexual tension between them, right? Yes, yes, we did. Yeah. By the way, you're making me think a couple of things. One,

Andrea Knoche (: 14:59

Mm-hmm.

yeah. Yes, we were. yeah. Yes, cutie patootie.

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:18

You're making me think I need to go I need to rewatch it. So great. I'm gonna rewatch it. Two, I didn't tell you this. Garrett looks like one of my clients. it was very hard for me to see Garrett this way

Andrea Knoche (: 15:21

Yeah.

What? What?

no.

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:32

still uncomfortable

Andrea Knoche (: 15:33

That's awesome. I love that. okay, so then we'll catch them up at that point. They decided to do what we like to call mutual masturbation. And I had not seen that on TV before. I'll tell you that. I don't think I'd seen that before. Yeah, and the two of them, so they both stood on, you know, six feet apart and and basically just started touching themselves while looking at each other and just

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:48

Mm.

Andrea Knoche (: 16:01

you know, letting themselves go and go into it. And she was fortunately able to have her orgasm that way. I thought it was very tastefully done. I thought it was going to be more awkward than it was. I found myself like, what? Like I couldn't stop watching, right? so that was exciting. I think that he handled it very well and

Ozzie Osborne (: 16:15

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 16:21

Probably where that really clinched their relationship because they both saw different sides of each other. Yeah, the intimacy and the way it was handled in such a tasteful, sensitive way. And he was very protective of her, I'd say, and just making sure that how this all transpired was not going to be traumatic for her again. And I loved that. That was hot.

Ozzie Osborne (: 16:27

Intimacy.

Mm-hmm.

Right. Love that.

You know, Orgasm is the highest form of intimacy. because it asks us to let go. And when we don't let go and we hang on to things, we're compressed and we can't have an orgasm. But when we can surrender and we can let go, that requires

a few things to happen, right? one of which is vulnerability is the ability to be completely vulnerable, to be seen as you are, and permission to be met, to be met somewhere where you aren't judged, where you are free to just be. And it is it is considered a a a very spiritual experience.

Andrea Knoche (: 17:05

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 17:24

when everything lines up, it could really be a beautiful meditation. and it requires a sense of trust and it requires a sense of safety. And oftentimes people can't even get there. Right. And so, you know, we often

Andrea Knoche (: 17:26

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 17:41

kind of jump into bed with someone and have intimacy But not until we can start to build right and and I I teach my kids this trust is earned. Trust is not just given, right? So as you're earning trust, as you're building again and we talked about in our conversation earlier today, just you and I, right? when when you build trust and you have enough

Andrea Knoche (: 17:45

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. For sure.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 18:03

And not through words. It's through showing each other that, being vulnerable safe. Like you could be vulnerable with me and I could be vulnerable with you. now I have the space and the freedom to surrender and to show you my fullest self. that's not a common or easy place to be for a lot of people, which is why people hold back or people have, you know,

Andrea Knoche (: 18:16

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 18:27

quick orgasms or they they don't really get to that to that like high high ecstasy part of an orgasm. And yeah, I mean I love that it's being shown. I I love that it's it's you know it's not the reality. They didn't really know each other, but I think through time spent, right? And that's what it takes, time spent, quality time spent with one another starts to build that safety and that trust and that connection.

Andrea Knoche (: 18:33

Mm-hmm. Fear.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 18:56

enough to get to that intimacy.

Andrea Knoche (: 18:58

Yeah, well said. Yes, I agree. So that was a hot scene. and that was a hot scene. And from there, they just kind of realized that they wanted to be together. And so they did. They got together. And I love that because he settled down. You know, he was kind of known as the player and he's never had a girlfriend and never gonna do that. And and I love that they had that.

Ozzie Osborne (: 19:03

That was a hot scene.

Andrea Knoche (: 19:21

you know, we can talk about that too, kind of built that friendship first. And then it turned into that, right? And I love the fact that they were completely different on the surface, but realized how much, you know, compatible and aligned they were underneath. So that was very exciting. And and then to add that Garrett also had some trauma in his life because he was, yeah, his dad who everybody thought was this, you know, incredible person and everybody looked up to.

Ozzie Osborne (: 19:24

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 19:47

You know, Garrett had this deep secret that his dad was abusive to women. So and he witnessed it when he was younger. they they weaved in a lot, I'd say, in there. you know, and it took us in many different directions. But I enjoyed their relationship that like stood the test of time through all of that that they went through. Yeah. And I love that.

Ozzie Osborne (: 19:57

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. They've all

yeah, they've they've all experienced, you know, trauma in their past that sort of broke their character and their identity. And I think that like they they sort of met each other probably through that, but then realized that there was something more there for for one another. And I think that that in itself can build a bit of closeness and bond. And and and I think then again that that evolved into something where they kind of become

Andrea Knoche (: 20:16

Mm, mm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 20:36

you know, each other's protectors or each other's like, you know, almost like best friends that come together that really get each other. They really have, you know, compassion and and and protectiveness for their old selves that experience that trauma, right? 'Cause the dad was it was hard to see because it it's by the way, it's the guy it I don't know if you know you n recognize who he was. He played he was on on

Andrea Knoche (: 20:43

Mm.

Yeah.

No.

Ozzie Osborne (: 21:06

my god, I'm gonna blank out on this. man, what's the show? Shameless. He was on Shameless. And he played the neighbor who was married. Yeah, he he was and he was funny. and then but this different completely different character in the show where he's very like mean. And then there's a moment where you think that he's kind of

Andrea Knoche (: 21:13

Okay. Okay.

Mm. So a different character.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 21:33

turned it around and found, you know, is getting married again and he's he's, you know, going to become maybe maybe you're you're gonna see some closeness. So Garrett then brings Hannah to the house and they realize that he hasn't changed. He's still abusive to the woman and and that was that was a very that was a very important scene too, I think.

Andrea Knoche (: 21:52

Yeah.

Yeah,

yeah, I think so too. yeah, there were a lot of very important scenes. Yeah. We'll touch base on that one in a little bit too. And I also wanna talk about, you know, the the sexual assault that she went through and how that was handled in this particular episode. But before we get to that, you know, there were a lot of other characters that they were building. And like you said, they're they're leading for the next one. And so we also had Allie and Dean, I think.

Ozzie Osborne (: 22:17

Yeah.

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 22:26

Yeah. And so they are kind of like, I I was, I know. I know. So I in the JLO dress on the dance floor, yes, which she was killing it. She looked good. And I'm just gonna d be like a little bit of a name dropper here, but Mika is her real name. She actually used to date my nephew. So I have a little claim to fame on that. And you know, we used to talk about her like.

Ozzie Osborne (: 22:29

their tension, I loved it. From the moment he saw her dancing.

Yep. Man, she looked good.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 22:55

Back, she's been in a couple other smaller things, but this has obviously just blown her up. And you know, I'm super happy for her. And so that was really, really cool. Main one next season. Yeah, I just saw that that they're gonna be focusing on on their relationship, which is great. She's great in it. I love her hair too. The just that shaggy look is so cute, you know.

Ozzie Osborne (: 23:02

Well she's the main she'll be the main character for next season. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. It reminds me of

what's that movie? not Splash, but Flashdance. You know, like Jennifer Beale's hair, like that that that curly, messy hair, but she's kind of a messy character, but like a cutesy character, but but like grit and then that tension between them and then the then when they did a whole thing on them, I was like, my god.

Andrea Knoche (: 23:23

yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yes.

Yeah.

yeah. I know because then and then

you felt that building, you know, they're kind of sneaking around. You could see it, I mean, a mile away, you know, the one scene when they were sitting in front of the window, I think, and they were, you know, at I think she was maybe at his house. And then they started, you know, and she put her foot up on him and so and I was like, these two, they've got something amazing here. And

Ozzie Osborne (: 23:46

Yes.

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 24:04

And I loved again because he was, you know, the player. He said it himself. He's like, I don't have any desire to be in a relationship. I just like to hook up with girls all over the place. They come knowing exactly what they're getting from me, which is fun, you know. And so they tried to keep each other at bay, but they were, you know, really playing off each other, which was flirty and fun. And I and I liked that. And again, they saw something deeper in each other, you know, which is I just think that's so cool, you know, and you just feel that.

Ozzie Osborne (: 24:32

But she wasn't looking

for it. She was also coming off of a breakup with a long term boyfriend who kept telling her, you're gonna come back. You break up with me and then you come back. And this time she's good, she it was almost like she was gonna prove it. And then she and I mean the both of them were just they're so hot. Actually, I don't know if you know this, like it's been all over Instagram. There is I don't know the name of this, like this audio channel that is using their voices together.

Andrea Knoche (: 24:34

She wasn't. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

it makes more sense.

Ozzie Osborne (: 25:02

They're totally capitalizing on the sexual tension that they had all coming off the show. And they're they're they they they both dictated a book together. Yeah. So I'm I'm be interested to but I kinda wanna see them. I don't wanna just hear them, but it'll be kind of cool to to see what they do with them. But yeah, there's they're doing a lot of press.

Andrea Knoche (: 25:05

Really?

I did just see something on that today. I didn't know what it was. Okay.

Listen to that. Yeah. Ooh, that's pretty neat. Okay. I like that.

Yeah. So I was I I really liked them. I like them together. I just it felt it felt really authentic between them when they were actually together and they were recognizing that, but trying not to be, you know. And then because they they were doing that whole sneaking around thing and and didn't want to admit to the feelings and stuff. But yeah, I like seeing them.

kind of get together. That was super cute. And I want to say, I don't know if it's true or not, that she is actually dating the musician guy, although we can't think of his name. The hot musician in real life. Yeah, in real life. Yeah. Yeah. So which there again, two hot people again. anyway, so I like that couple. And and then, you know, I just wanted to mention the one guy, which I wasn't sure where they were going with that. It's it's Garrett's best friend and the one that he ended up

Ozzie Osborne (: 25:57

Mm. Now sh now she is, yeah. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 26:17

confiding in him about his dad and everything, right? And he was standing by him. remember when they went through a little phase of him being really into Wellsey and he kept like they were showing him having these long gazes at her and he was kind of like asking about her. And then it just went nowhere. I wonder, I don't know if that is like foreshadowing something down the road or where.

Ozzie Osborne (: 26:26

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I heard it's foreshadowing something, but I don't know

for a fact. But yeah, it was interesting how he he was also very protective and you could tell he had a little crush on her. In fact, his sister pointed it out. And then, you know, their relationship was interesting. The sister and the 'cause the sister was one that was documenting she she she's a videographer. She goes around videotaping everything. And that was an interesting dynamic too. those two.

Andrea Knoche (: 26:48

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. that's right.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean a lot of really good good characters. And I think there's a lot that they can dive into with each of them. They laid out a lot in the first season though. So yeah, right. So they got a lot to get from there. Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 27:08

Mm-hmm.

They did. I just hope it doesn't jump the shark by second season 'cause I think sometimes

it could tend to just be like all this hype and then and then second season comes around and you're like, hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 27:22

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I know. Or they get too excited because it did really well and then they just flop. Yeah. I don't like that too much. Yeah. So, okay. Now we've got the whole pr that's pretty much the we said we weren't doing a recap, but that was the recap of the show, just so you're the gist of it. So you're fully got up on that. but I also wanted to touch on we were gonna talk about just the sexual assault.

Ozzie Osborne (: 27:30

Mm. Yeah.

Whew Kinda show. Mm-hmm.

The gist, yeah. Yeah.

yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 27:54

Yeah, because that was a pretty heavy topic to bring in fairly quickly. I thought it was very odd that it just happened to be the guy that Garrett was playing against in the hockey game. And then I I did recall when he when Garrett said to her, the guy you dated before was played hockey, but she never she or who you were with before, but she never said it was actually him, I don't think, the guy that assaulted her. So and he was just

Bad character. Bad, bad character. but what I did love that I wanted to point out, because she was very traumatized by that whole thing that happened, and then when everything started to kind of blow up and her and Garrett, I think had broken up at one point because things were just getting too too heavy, and she called her mom crying. Do you remember this part?

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:50

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 28:50

And she called

her and immediately was like, you know, I'm so sorry, mom. I, you know, I screwed up everything, you know, that the whole thing messed you guys up. You spent so much money for attorneys and you lost everything. And I loved that, and it's giving me a little bit of chills because I love that her mom just said, What did you do wrong? You know, she said, You were 15, you went to a party, you had a drink, and somebody roofied you and assaulted you. What did you do wrong?

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:56

Yeah.

But

Andrea Knoche (: 29:19

And it was just it was the way it was handled with such grace and there wasn't any blame and there, you know, and it wasn't a whole big dialogue of, you know, what could have what she could have done differently. It was just one simple question. What did you do wrong? What did you think about that one, that scene? Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 29:36

It was powerful. I think it was really

it's it's an important subject and it's something I talk to my boys about. You know, even even just I mean, they could be roofy too, right? Like anyone can be roofied, but just the idea of, you know, never ha never leave a drink unattended, you know, always put your hand on it. don't take anything

Andrea Knoche (: 29:47

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And they actually make

a lot of things for that now. You can get like little scrunchies that go over it, you know, little things that has a hole for your straw. So it just, yeah, definitely want to be careful about that. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 30:03

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So I think I

think it's an important subject to bring up. And I think sexual assault is is not uncommon. and so it's important that, you know, we normalize it, not normalize that it's done, but normalize that we talk about it, right? 'Cause before it would be more, you know, you'd hide it. It's there's more shame attached to it. And to give permission to especially as a parent to give permission to or to remind your child, hey, you didn't do anything wrong. It's not a you thing.

Andrea Knoche (: 30:23

Yeah.

Very much.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 30:38

and it that could be so freeing to anyone, right? To be told that you did nothing wrong could really release a lot of shame that you hold on to with an assault. it's a very delicate subject that I think takes takes, you know, I've I've had a lot of clients that have come to me with sexual assault stories.

Andrea Knoche (: 30:45

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 31:05

And it is a very delicate. There's so it's so layered. There's so much, you know, there's betrayal. There is there is you know, there's just so much that's layered within the experience of it, and then even worse the meaning that you give it, and then even worse what remains with you around that. And so learning how to, you know, compartmentalize it differently in your body can really support you in talking about it, can support you in

Andrea Knoche (: 31:30

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 31:33

freeing yourself of the shame and also helping others who might, you know, what can you use with that to teach others not to do or to do in in those circumstances.

Andrea Knoche (: 31:48

Yeah, absolutely. And I think those conversations are still very important to be had and just understanding, you know, also what you're you gotta be real careful when you're going to parties and like you said, covering your drinks, but also looking out for your friends, making sure, you know, yeah, just being a little bit more protective of everybody and aware, you know, and make sure you're staying at, you know, in your right frame of mind. Obviously that wasn't her fault that she wasn't, but really, you know, being cautious.

Ozzie Osborne (: 31:52

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Andrea Knoche (: 32:17

which she did, which she, you know, she then w when she started going to parties, she was like, I'm not really drinking. And and I love that Garrett brought over like a canned beer for her, you know, and just said, Here, just if you want this to feel safer, you know, and I think that kind of started the road of her feeling like, this guy gets me, you know, which was really cool. So I think that I think the show handled that topic very responsibly. I think they did.

Ozzie Osborne (: 32:36

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, but then she conf

then she comes face to face with him.

Andrea Knoche (: 32:47

That's right. That's right, which was crazy. And after Garrett picks up, well, because then they, you know, Garrett's playing hockey, just so I'll explain this. And he's playing this other rivalry team that they have been going against for many years. And and Garrett doesn't realize that the captain or the leader of that team is the guy that actually assaulted her and it all, you know, it came to me when I was like, that's right. She said he was a hockey player.

Ozzie Osborne (: 32:49

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 33:15

You know,

and so she was afraid to kinda go to the games. I don't think she knew, if I'm not mistaken. Did she didn't know until she got there and saw him? Or did she already 'cause she was staying away for a while. W did she know before? I don't remember that.

Ozzie Osborne (: 33:30

I don't remember at what point she realized that that was the guy. I think I think like first she thought it was and then it was confirmed for her. And then and then something happened with Garrett and him, right?

Andrea Knoche (: 33:42

Yes. Well well, the other guy was being very aggressive and just kind of had it in for Garrett without even knowing that he was actually with Wellesie because he didn't see that until the end. So I I wasn't really sure what was going on there, why he was so angry at Garrett. Was it just that they were like top teams going head to head? And so he was trying to show up.

Ozzie Osborne (: 33:44

At the end.

Mm-hmm.

right, he's a hockey

player, that's right.

Andrea Knoche (: 34:05

Yeah. And they kept like kind of beating each other. You know, he was like, remember really pushing him and they were like, Garrett, get your head in the game and stuff, you know? Yeah. And then and then all of a sudden, you know, once the guy saw Garrett kissing Wellesie and then it all came he was like, and he he basically called her a slut, right? And that just set Garrett off. And then Garrett went to town on beating his ass. Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 34:08

Mm-hmm.

That's right.

Yes, he did. As anyone.

So here's an interesting thing, right? So he does that and she she gets upset with him and I think she breaks up with him, no? Mm.

Andrea Knoche (: 34:36

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yes, she does. And

that's when she goes crying and then she calls her mom 'cause everything is just falling apart, I think. Yeah. So it caused a lot, a lot of issues.

Ozzie Osborne (: 34:49

Mm-hmm. Yeah. How would you feel? How would you

feel? I'm curious because I think if you know, this brings us to what we talked about with Age of Attraction, where one of the guys stepped in front of was protecting Vanelle. Remember, Jorge was protecting Vanelle. And like how would you feel if somebody, you know,

Andrea Knoche (: 35:01

Mm-hmm.

yeah. Yes. Jorge. Yeah.

That's a hard one because and I'm I'm saying that because watching it, I was like, you know, the guy had it coming for sure, without even knowing what he did, right? Without even knowing. And then the fact that he not only did what he did to her, but then had the audacity to call her a slut to the guy that he knows is with her, you know, just egging him on even more. He had it coming, you know.

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:15

Mm-hmm.

my god. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 35:39

And so I don't blame him for doing that. I think it was extremely aggressive. I mean, he beat the shit out of him. I mean, you saw when he you came out, there was like blood everywhere all over his thing. I'm not a I'm not a huge violence girl, you know. I don't like fighting. I don't know how I'd feel watching that. I like to be protected though. So there's that fine line. I think there's other ways that it could have been handled a little bit than than the actual fighting. And I

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:47

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 36:09

I think Wellsy agreed with me because she got all upset. Like she was, even though she knew he deserved it and he had done this to her, she it scared her seeing Garrett the way he was, right? Because that brought out a very violent side of him. That's what you gotta watch.

Ozzie Osborne (: 36:26

Right, which

which is what right, which is what his dad was all about, right? Violence and and such. So it was kind of probably was like, wait a minute, this is he gonna turn into his dad. And then also I think she was also protective of his future because he would worked so hard to to have a career in hockey for him to blow this up because he couldn't control his anger, I think made her feel unsafe. And I think that's what caused her to

Andrea Knoche (: 36:32

Yes. And she knew that. Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 36:55

break up with him. But then then what happened Do we remember?

Andrea Knoche (: 36:56

Yeah.

Then

Ozzie Osborne (: 37:01

I feel like I have to rewatch the show. No, I think they I think they got I think they get back together, no? Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Andrea Knoche (: 37:03

Yeah, I know. I'm like, tell me, do you remember? Or you're asking me because you don't. They do. Yeah, no, they do. Well, yeah,

they do because then he he does get suspended, you know, and he loses time. and of course then they start digging into everything else he was doing and he had he was like a college student that played with a professional team on the off season, but

that didn't matter because you can't legally do that. So he got in trouble and he got suspended for games or pulled from it. And I think the accumulation of all of that together, you know, and he was holding so much inside because he didn't talk to anybody but Wellesie about his dad, not even his best friend that knew his dad and everything. And so I think at that point it, you know, he just burst and he's like, I gotta

Ozzie Osborne (: 37:31

then he got in trouble.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 37:55

Gotta talk to somebody. And I think that's a really huge topic too, is, you know, just keeping it inside is never going to get it healed. It's never going to allow you to move on from it. And it's just going to keep rearing its ugly head every time, you know, something comes up that triggers it. And so I think you have to talk to somebody, whether it is a friend or a parent or a therapist or somebody, you know, just random.

and so he was finally able to have that conversation with his best friend, which just released so much for him and allowed his friend to understand too of where he was coming from and why he was acting the way he was. And so that opened up just a whole nother, you know, level of trust with everybody, which was great. And then he had to, you know, he let him become captain of the team and stuff. And so, yeah, that was really cute. And it was, it was like a really good and I and I liked.

Ozzie Osborne (: 38:43

that was so cute.

Andrea Knoche (: 38:49

You know, I look for the little things often, like when he was talking to the friend in the kitchen. And I remember the the he was like doing the dishes or something. And when he kind of said, you know, I need to talk. And I loved that the friend, I can't remember his name either, but he but he stopped doing the dishes and walked over and just, you know, leaned down on the counter and was present and was like, I'm here.

Ozzie Osborne (: 39:13

was present. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 39:17

Tell me, you know, talk to me. It wasn't like I'm over here doing, yeah, what, what, you know what I mean? We're so preoccupied with everything else. And I just love that they gave that moment to what needed a moment and allowed him to be feel safe to talk to him about it. So I thought that was, yeah, that was really well done. I like that part too. Yeah. Anything more to say on that? Go. I know. Yeah. Not only are they hot, but

Ozzie Osborne (: 39:17

Mm.

Go vulnerability with men. Yes.

Especially

especially you know, macho macho guys, right? Like to to for them to be vulnerable. There's something there is that contrast between the, you know, like the strong male figure and, you know, athlete and then the vulnerability. There's something really beautiful there. And I think that that we need to show more of this example to other young men, 'cause I think they

Andrea Knoche (: 39:48

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 40:08

often tend to lack that. I don't think that there's a lot of permission given to still to be vulnerable. I think it's got kind of gone to the other side where they're overly sensitive about things and so they're at they succumb to emotion. They don't know how to handle it. So they they tune out, they check out, they numb out. but to have a friendship where someone is like, Yeah, ma'am here, I got you. That is very mature and you don't see that often. So I really as a practitioner,

Andrea Knoche (: 40:14

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

Mm mm

Ozzie Osborne (: 40:38

That works with people, to me, that was like, chef's kiss. Chef's kiss. I approve. I approve.

Andrea Knoche (: 40:38

yeah.

Yes. Chef's kiss. Yes.

Yes. Very, very good. and then yeah, it it it does, it does. It takes a while to build that and to and to trust somebody enough to talk to them about it. But the friend was also persistent in saying, Hey man, like talk to me, talk to me, talk to me, you know. And so I think that's really great if you're kind of recognizing or seeing somebody really struggling to put them at ease and let them know, hey, I'm here if you need to talk, you know, instead of them.

Ozzie Osborne (: 40:49

Yeah. 'Cause it takes a while.

Andrea Knoche (: 41:12

having to come to you, just give that space to do that. I thought that was really cool that he did that. Yeah. Good guys. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 41:17

Good guys. And I cannot

wait till next season. I'm I'm waiting. I'm like, how long are we gonna have to wait?

Andrea Knoche (: 41:22

I know. It's gonna be good. Well, they

I know, you have to. It's probably gonna be a while, I would guess. But just to why just to let everybody know how it ended, because we have to totally spoil the whole show, not just part of it. he basically spoiled away. yeah, she ha she started writing and you know, that was a big thing. Remember that he kind of said somebody said to her, it's not about the music, it's about

Ozzie Osborne (: 41:36

Spoil it away.

Mm, yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 41:52

the lyrics and the lyrics being real, like truly from you. Cause she was trying to get help from the the, you know, the cute guy that she was originally in love with. And those were more, it was him. It was his lyrics. It was his vibe. And, you know, he kind of took that song and ran with it. And she couldn't ever fully connect to it. And then when she really sat down and just wrote like from her heart and what she was really feeling and how really, I mean, it was about how Garrett had kind of really changed things. And then finally, you know, somebody saw her.

and then she performed it. you know, and then they all showed up, which was great. Her friends were all there to cheer her on, you know, that always perfect that they got front row seating. I mean, where who

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:32

Yeah. And by the way, he's

she's actually a singer. So that that was cool to see. And the one of the other characters, so the care the friend that you're talking about, the nice guy, he's also he's a Broadway star. So he's he's a singer as well. So it's kind of cool to it was kind of cool to well, yeah, I I have to stalk every one of them afterwards. Yeah. So it was her singing the song. Yeah. Yeah, it was really cool.

Andrea Knoche (: 42:42

Mm-hmm.

interesting.

Yeah, you did. Why w yeah, I wonder if they'll bring that. that's cool. I wonder if I

always wonder that actually. If it's yeah, and how cool that is for them to get to, you know, utilize that in the show. That's just a another level that she's gonna go to from that. And I wonder if they'll do the same with him later, if they'll bring out that side of it. I don't know why it just came to me, but they are very

They're pretty far apart in age. I don't know if you know that. Garrett and Wellesie. She's only 19. Yeah. She's only 19. Yeah. Yeah. And he's quite a bit older. I don't know his age. I should have probably looked that up first. But yeah. And he has a a girlfriend. Yeah, he's had like a girlfriend for quite a while. And so I was kind of reading about the dynamic, you know, what that's like for the girlfriend watching their connection. I think they had a great.

Ozzie Osborne (: 43:25

You mean in real life? In real life? What? I did not know that.

Interesting.

Andrea Knoche (: 43:49

Chemistry on the show. I don't, yeah, they did. They did. I don't know that off screen I would be like, yeah, I could totally see them together. I felt like maybe they were more, it was like a great friendship off screen, maybe. yeah, but I thought it was pretty cool to to see that. Yeah, she's only 19. 19. Mm-hmm. Just a baby. Yeah. So they end up, yeah, getting back together in the end, which is great. And that they kind of

Ozzie Osborne (: 43:50

They did.

Mm-hmm.

I did not know that. Baby. Baby. Yeah. Cool.

Andrea Knoche (: 44:20

It closed out, like everything was resolved. So I was like wondering, where are they gonna go with this? There was no cliffhanger. That's unusual.

Ozzie Osborne (: 44:25

There was no cliffhanger. Yeah. So, which is fine because

it kind of completed that storyline. And I think that again, they set up enough tension with the other characters for us to now go probably into this next season with more focus on the other characters, which I'm excited about. Well, I'm curious to see what they're gonna do. And again, I haven't read the books I kind of I mean they're adapting so many books now into screenplays.

Andrea Knoche (: 44:33

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 44:52

I often just would rather have not read it because I think oftentimes you're disappointed at what you see on screen. because you know the books can take their time to develop a character and you kind of get connected to it differently and you've got your own imagination. Right. So like the show kind of like speeds a lot of it up and kind of gets you into into like it it kind of gives their perspective.

Andrea Knoche (: 44:57

Quite often.

Yes. In your Yes.

Yeah, good point. I think I would rather do it the other way around. Like watch the shows and then go read the book.

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:19

Right.

so I'm hoping that they're gonna just give us really great character arches and involved in different different storylines and and and

Andrea Knoche (: 45:27

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:30

Please, more sex. Why not? Make it sexy and hot. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 45:32

No.

I know, we want to see that part for sure. I was just thinking of that,

wondering what they're gonna do with Allie and Dean for next season. If they're gonna try now to go deep with some stories again, you know, just to build their character. But I also but you also don't want it to be like, okay, so now she's like been through like some traumatic medical condition or something, and that you're like, what, all these people, you know, I still want it to seem real and believable.

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:46

Yes, please.

Andrea Knoche (: 46:01

But and as much as I want to see the steamy sex scenes and them together, I don't want it just to be about that. So it's gonna be interesting to see what take they put on it and if they kind of are able to balance that out a little bit more. So hmm. Interesting. Well, anything more for you to say on that one? Why do we go back to the question of why this is so talked about and such a binge worthy show right now? No. I mean, we just told you.

Ozzie Osborne (: 46:09

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 46:32

Yeah. Yeah, right. And is there something, is there something in that with it being a college romance that captures you because it's like this young love? Does it remind you of you at all? I was trying to get into that feeling and thinking, you know, do I wish I was involved with something like that when I was younger? God, in that age though, I mean, that's the big difference in generations. I I don't I was nothing like that in when I was that age.

Ozzie Osborne (: 46:34

I yeah. Totally.

No, I was not.

No, I was not. I was a prude I was, you know, I was too shy. I that does not remind me of me when I was younger. It was reminded me of all the romance novels I read when I was younger. but I that was not me. But it's it's fun.

Andrea Knoche (: 47:03

No way. Yeah.

Mm.

Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Huh.

go watch it and see it for yourself because there's a lot. There's a lot, a lot. There's a lot, a lot in that one. so it's a very, very good show to go watch. I and I think the acting was was really great too. I thought they were very believable and easy and and I like that. So well, Ozzy.

Ozzie Osborne (: 47:25

a lot.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 47:39

I think I think that proves that a little show about college students having sex can give grown ups a lot to talk about. Right. Grown up women. Yeah, I don't know that the men are talking about this one. But yeah, we're living vicariously through though. So it's funny. That is funny. Well, thanks for hanging out with me today and totally unpacking that. Absolutely. And the listeners as well. Thanks for joining us and hope.

Ozzie Osborne (: 47:39

Andrea.

You mean g grown up women in midlife? Single women in real life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Thanks for having me.

Andrea Knoche (: 48:09

Hopefully you got what you wanted out of this. Like I said, go check it out for yourself if you haven't. If you have already watched it and you want to tell us your thoughts on more of that, we would love to hear from you. Tell us something that you think about, you know, what was right about this show with modern relationships or how things were handled.

Also full video of us oogling and drooling over it is gonna be fully up on YouTube for you guys to watch it from Mrs. to Ms. So all right, that's all I got for this week. Thank you, Ozzie for joining me. I love having you, my girl. Thank you, thank you. All right, bye peeps.

Ozzie Osborne (: 48:32

Yeah.

Thank you, thank you. Have a good day.